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== Introduction ==
Argh, [[Doctor Who Farted (TV story)|this ''freakin''{{'}} story]]. This supposedly official ''Family Guy'' crossover is, to put it lightly, causing its fair share of headaches. When we're not arguing what to even ''call'' the thing, we're debating over whether our coverage should extend beyond the skit itself to cover the setup, thus making [[Lois Griffin|Lois]], [[Meg Griffin|Meg]], [[Chris Griffin (Doctor Who Farted)|Chris]], [[Stewie Griffin|Stewie]] and [[Brian Griffin|Brian]] official characters (which, in that context, they ''absolutely should'', as I've argued). But before all that, we should talk about '''whether this scene is even eligible for coverage here to begin with.'''

This page's existence has led to the creation of a number of peripheral pages (actors like [[Rachael MacFarlane]], studios like [[Fuzzy Door Productions]], TV channels like [[ITV2]], and, of course, [[Family Guy (series)|the series itself]]), and it all hinges on an '''unsourced''' claim that the [[BBC]] gave their permission to the [[Tenth Doctor]] and [[The Doctor's TARDIS|the TARDIS]]'s use.

The closest we have to any sort of acknowledgement by the BBC is that the skit's original reveal at San Diego Comic-Con 2016 was the subject of [https://www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/david-tennants-tenth-doctor-joins-family-guy a news article on the official ''Doctor Who'' website].

On ''Family Guy''{{'}}s end, there is no acknowledgement of the BBC in ''Inside Family Guy''{{'}}s ending credits. Two other potential sources I've suggested looking up are the episode's DVD commentary (assuming it has one), and the official publication ''Inside Family Guy: An Illustrated History''. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

== Discussion ==
Yeah, if there's no evidence it's licensed there probably shouldn't be a page for it - its acknowledgement may be ''just'' enough for an overview as a "[[:Category:Real world series with DWU connections|connected series]]", but no more than that (the current pages being made redirects to it). (Also, I feel like if it ''is'' licensed, it'll be difficult to split from the full episode considering the way it's framed.) [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

: I mean, I think splitting it from the full episode is actually ''very'' easy to do because it segments itself really neatly thanks to it being the very first scene of the episode, but I seem to be in a minority on that belief. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

:: I think I'm against ''Family Guy'' retaining its overview page if ''Doctor Who Farted'' (or whatever we're calling it) is deleted. The minor offical acknowledgement can be sufficiently covered at [[Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe/2010s]] and the newly-minted [[List of fan works in which official actors reprised their roles]].

:: I would like for the two sources Walt suggests in the OP to be checked before this thread is closed but if that's not possible I would lean towards deletion with the current available evidence, specifically the lack of the BBC in the episode's end credits. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::: For future reference, here are all of the relevant pages made so far, for easy roundup for deletion in the event that's our ruling:
* [[Doctor Who Farted (TV story)]]
* [[Family Guy (series)]]
* [[Lois Griffin]]
* [[Meg Griffin]]
* [[Chris Griffin (Doctor Who Farted)]]
* [[Stewie Griffin]]
* [[Brian Griffin]]
* [[Rachael MacFarlane]]
* [[Andrew Goldberg]]
* [[Joe Vaux]]
* [[20th Television]]
* [[Fuzzy Door Productions]]
* [[ITV2]]
[[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

: Have long considered this something we needed to take care of eventually. At most, this short should be added to [[List of fan works in which official actors reprised their roles]], or something similar. Otherwise it should not have a presence on our site, unless we can prove it was approved. Likewise, I do support us having pages on content which did have BBC involvement, such as [[Whodle (video game)]]. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 18:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

:: Well, the fact that it was the subject of a news article on the official ''Doctor Who'' website ''might'' be enough for it to have its own page under [[Forum:Relaxing_our_fan_works_policy_(within_reason)#Conclusion_2|our reworked policy on fan works]], but nothing more than that. [[User:Cgl1999|Cgl1999]] [[User talk:Cgl1999|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

::: I feel I'd agree if, say, a Big Finish short trips story mentioned the events of the story. But as it stands, I don't think a news article saying "Hey this exists" is ground for even the short to have a page. Perhaps a mention on a larger page, sure. For instance, I think there was discussion of a larger article discussing fan projects discussed in DWM. Something like that. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 20:35, 18 August 2023 (UTC)