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We know that the Byzantium Angels and the Blink Angels seem ridiculously inconsistent...and Moffat just throws out the insane explanation that a group is scavenger and the other group is...well...an army...but it's kind of odd considering that they're biologically different as well...so what do you guys think about all angels in Flesh and Stone actually being the same one but there are actually 4 angels in Blink...



1. An image of angel is an angel...and the angels in Flesh and Stone were originally one Weeping Angel landed onto the planet, and the inhabitants stupidly made images of it....maybe recorded a 5 min clip, and every frame of it became an angel...



2. We don't quite know if an angel can look at itself...we know they can't look at each other...but we've never been shown what happens when they observe themselves...since they are aware of their own existence...it's a bit odd to say that they can't observe themselves....



3. The angel from the image of an angel is the original angel? Maybe this is not that reproduction method, and merely a projection or fracturing of some sort...



4. The angel from the image of an angel and the original angel can observe each other as they are one and the same? This would explain how they can move together in Flesh and Stone...and it makes sense to have an army of lonely assassins....because the army is just one individual, otherwise it isn't very lonely isn't it...(the angels in Flesh and Stone also seems more or less hive-minded...but the ones in Blink were just like...hobos wandering around not knowing what to do)



5. The photo that didn't become an angel in Blink just hasn't become an angel or manifested yet...or convenient theory, because the original Angel is quantum locked, it can't manifest?!? Can anyone who rewatches the 2 parters tell me if this contradicts anything?

: It could be either the quantum lock that you mentioned, or the whole 'scavengers' excuse. It would be nice to see a proper explanation.[[Special:Contributions/86.164.120.218|86.164.120.218]] 23:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)



6. The stupid looking at the eyes print an angel onto your brain thing...because the angels usually cover their eyes, so it's rare for a victim to look at their eyes to begin with...I remember there were a few close-up shots of an angel with eyes uncovered....It only works with angels of an image of an angel? the Angel has to be calm (or look calm) to use it...and doesn't use it in hunting mode (as the closeups in Blink shows the angel freezed in the middle of an action)? There was a imprinted brain Angel in blink but it's just quantum locked before it manifested due to the original one being so? Or super convenient theory: an angel only does it occassionally despite that they can?



7. The angels in Blink remove someone from the time stream just by touching them, yet the angels are perfectly capable of breaking necks and grabbing Father Octavian. Another glaring inconsistency.
*Father Octavian: the Blink angels' has only been shown to work in their unobserved form...so one could wrap around Father Octavian's neck and is quantum locked when someone looks at him/her before he/she touch Octavian.
*The Doctor wasn't surprised that the Angels could touch people, but just surprised that they would kill instead of feed...so it implys that Blink Angel could do it too...[[Special:Contributions/203.168.176.42|203.168.176.42]] 20:23, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
: The Doctor's comment was that they 'must need bodies' in this case. Though I'm not sure if they ever fully explain what for...[[Special:Contributions/86.164.120.218|86.164.120.218]] 23:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
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: They used the bodies to find one that they could kill and constuct a concience to communicate with the Doctor. Bob was probably had the most spinal cord left or something. Codename:[[Special:Contributions/122.59.153.89|122.59.153.89]] 07:11, August 16, 2010 (UTC)



Anyhow, Moffat ruined his own monster...it had simple focused rules that worked extremely well...it was almost like a game of tag and now he made it into SimCity 3000....I literally laughed when they said "You have to look at it, but you can't look at its eyes." It's simply the most stupid line ever. Think of the possible stupid taglines: "An Army of Lonely Assassins..."...and Angel Bob....you may as well have the Angels talk in Barney's voice and sing children songs...and oh..."they can feed on radiations"...they probably didn't need to hunt people if they knew that Earth has many inanimate systems/objects that they can feed on...[[Special:Contributions/222.166.181.146|222.166.181.146]] 08:16, June 25, 2010 (UTC)



You could rationalise it with the idea that the Angels seen in ToS have in some way 'evolved' beyound those in Blink and have new/differing abilities. Things don't stay the same. I'd say it was just changing the alien to fit the plot needs. Not entirely happy with it; I liked the 'purer' idea of the Angles from Blink too. The fact that they were 'observed' and 'quantum locked' (not by choice) becasue of this was nice. The optional defence mechanism explantion just isn't the same calibre of idea; its a significant weakening of the 'alienness' of them. Still; I quite like the way BOB communicated; nice an flat. Jack.



I didn't mind them adding abilities to the angels too much, as the whole scavengers thing can kind of explain it, the bit I wasn't keen on was when Amy had to 'pretend' she could see them. It always seemed like the process was automatic. The only reason the angels might start to use it instinctively rather than reflexively is that they were afraid to freeze at the right moment. I think this now needs to be cleared up.[[Special:Contributions/86.164.120.218|86.164.120.218]] 23:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)



The scavengers aren't just scavengers, they're a subset of angel culture; think hippy, goth, environmentalist, survivalist. Homeless. Projecting themselves into an image of themselves is a skill they never developed, weren't taught, lack talent for. As is touching without displacing, fabricating communication devices from human body parts, and preemptive freezing. Hey I'm just making this up as I go along. [[User:Dusty.crockett|Dusty.crockett]] 05:25, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

you have a point there [[User:Dusty.crockett|Dusty.crockett]] but the word "scavenger" could mean that they are simply too weak to do something like this. For example the Doctor said that that you "blink and you're dead" but when Larry was facing the angel and I'm sure that nothing else was watching it he ''turned his head away'' which is considerably more time not looking at the angel than just blinking and yet the angel wasn't fast enough to catch him. this implies that the angels are feeding enough to stay alive bu not enough to do something like Angel Bob because acording to River he was found in the "ruins of something" which implies a civilization which implies a large meal. Bob then went into hibernation/stasis or something which implies(again) that he was conserving that energy which(at last) implies that he has the power to do those things that he did. [[User:Time Guardian|Time Guardian]] 06:42, August 19, 2010 (UTC)