765,429
edits
More actions
m
Robot: Automated text replacement (-[[Gillian (comic strips) +[[John and Gillian)
m (Robot: Automated text replacement (-[[Gillian (comic strips) +[[John and Gillian)) |
|||
| Line 97: | Line 97: | ||
Okay, I know I'm just on a prefix rant here, and please don't think I'm just trying to make a lot of mind-numbing work. I'm ''genuinely'' confused. [[TVC]] is supposed to mean stuff from ''[[TV Comic]]'', ''Countdown'' '''and''' ''[[TV Action]]''? Why? They're different publications with different target audiences. (Also, despite what the article says, ''Countdown'' was actually distinct from ''TV Action''; the name changes weren't simply whimsical or insignificant; the format of the mag actually changed as the name did.) | Okay, I know I'm just on a prefix rant here, and please don't think I'm just trying to make a lot of mind-numbing work. I'm ''genuinely'' confused. [[TVC]] is supposed to mean stuff from ''[[TV Comic]]'', ''Countdown'' '''and''' ''[[TV Action]]''? Why? They're different publications with different target audiences. (Also, despite what the article says, ''Countdown'' was actually distinct from ''TV Action''; the name changes weren't simply whimsical or insignificant; the format of the mag actually changed as the name did.) | ||
I think we should at least have [[TVC]] and [[TVA]], provided the TVA article is re-written to explain the ''Countdown'' phenomenon. Third Doctor comics are an entirely different kettle of fish to the First and Second Doctor stuff, in that they generally observed what most would consider the tone and continuity of the TV show at the time. Most of the [[John (comic strips)|John]] and [[Gillian | I think we should at least have [[TVC]] and [[TVA]], provided the TVA article is re-written to explain the ''Countdown'' phenomenon. Third Doctor comics are an entirely different kettle of fish to the First and Second Doctor stuff, in that they generally observed what most would consider the tone and continuity of the TV show at the time. Most of the [[John (comic strips)|John]] and [[John and Gillian|Gillian Who]] [I swear to God, that's their last names! ([[DWCC]]: "[[DWCC Issue 8|Beware the Trods!]]")] nonsense you kinda have to take with a grain of salt if you're an adult, cause it was written for wee children. ''Countdown''/''TVA'' stuff approaches the level of ''DWM'' comics, in that you can believe it might well have happened to the Doctor you saw on television. I mean, [[the Brig]]'s in ''Countdown'', as are [[Liz Shaw]], references to both sides of the [[Exile on Earth]], the [[Time Lords]], etc. | ||
I wish we had a "Stripped for Action" documentary on a Third Doctor DVD to illustrate the point more clearly. But the long and short of it is they ''are'' different publications, with different numbering schemes, meaning that each should get their own prefix. It's kinda weird to me that [[DWCC]] gets its own prefix — when it contained no original comic material ("Beware the Trods!" is prose) — but we're denying separate reference to one of the publications that made ''[[Doctor Who Classic Comics]]'' possible in the first place. | I wish we had a "Stripped for Action" documentary on a Third Doctor DVD to illustrate the point more clearly. But the long and short of it is they ''are'' different publications, with different numbering schemes, meaning that each should get their own prefix. It's kinda weird to me that [[DWCC]] gets its own prefix — when it contained no original comic material ("Beware the Trods!" is prose) — but we're denying separate reference to one of the publications that made ''[[Doctor Who Classic Comics]]'' possible in the first place. | ||
| Line 114: | Line 114: | ||
::Still, if you accept "[[The Land of Happy Endings]]"' conclusion that [[Dr Who]] is a dream of the [[Eighth Doctor]], then, yeah, their last names are "Who". Within the DWM continuity — which is usually recognized as more authoritative than TVC — John and Gillian are definitely the grandchildren of "Dr Who". If, on the other hand, you're treating early [[TVC]] stuff as an actual part of the [[First Doctor]] and early [[Second Doctor]]'s history, then you're more likely to believe that "Dr Who" is a continuity error, as in ''[[The War Machines]]''. Thus, I think you'd have a hard time diggin' the "Professor John Who" bit. You can accept some of the less ridiculous strips of that era into "real" continuity if you just go on thinking they had no last names and ignore ''[[Lungbarrow]]''. | ::Still, if you accept "[[The Land of Happy Endings]]"' conclusion that [[Dr Who]] is a dream of the [[Eighth Doctor]], then, yeah, their last names are "Who". Within the DWM continuity — which is usually recognized as more authoritative than TVC — John and Gillian are definitely the grandchildren of "Dr Who". If, on the other hand, you're treating early [[TVC]] stuff as an actual part of the [[First Doctor]] and early [[Second Doctor]]'s history, then you're more likely to believe that "Dr Who" is a continuity error, as in ''[[The War Machines]]''. Thus, I think you'd have a hard time diggin' the "Professor John Who" bit. You can accept some of the less ridiculous strips of that era into "real" continuity if you just go on thinking they had no last names and ignore ''[[Lungbarrow]]''. | ||
::Not sure if that really answers the question, "should we change the article names to John Who and Gillian Who?" For me, the answer's no, simply because this one-page story is '''incredibly''' obscure. They are overwhelmingly known as "John and Gillian". I '''do''' think the articles should be merged to [[John and Gillian]], though. There's not enough information on them as individuals to justify having two articles. And it's a hell of a lot of typing to type '''<nowiki>[[John (comic strips)]] and [[Gillian | ::Not sure if that really answers the question, "should we change the article names to John Who and Gillian Who?" For me, the answer's no, simply because this one-page story is '''incredibly''' obscure. They are overwhelmingly known as "John and Gillian". I '''do''' think the articles should be merged to [[John and Gillian]], though. There's not enough information on them as individuals to justify having two articles. And it's a hell of a lot of typing to type '''<nowiki>[[John (comic strips)]] and [[John and Gillian]]</nowiki>''', when you could just type '''<nowiki>[[John and Gillian]]</nowiki>''' and be done with it. This little memo thingie is the '''only''' piece of fiction in which one appears and the other doesn't. | ||
::While we're on the subject, I suppose I should mention for completeness that there are "John Brent" and "Gillian Roberts" from [[Kim Newman]]'s novella ''[[Time and Relative]]'', but these are not purported to be the actual John and Gillian. Rather, they're classmates of [[Susan Foreman|Susan]] at [[Coal Hill School]], which makes them too old to be the TVC John and Gillian. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 18:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC) | ::While we're on the subject, I suppose I should mention for completeness that there are "John Brent" and "Gillian Roberts" from [[Kim Newman]]'s novella ''[[Time and Relative]]'', but these are not purported to be the actual John and Gillian. Rather, they're classmates of [[Susan Foreman|Susan]] at [[Coal Hill School]], which makes them too old to be the TVC John and Gillian. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 18:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC) | ||