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There are a number of articles on the site, most notably [[13 Bannerman Road]], which are labeled as stubs, but have a good deal more content than I would associate with a stub article.
There are a number of articles on the site, most notably [[13 Bannerman Road]], which are labeled as stubs, but have a good deal more content than I would associate with a stub article.


On Wikipedia, these articles are labeled with the Expand tag. When I went to put this tag on the Bannerman article, it was redlinked -- the site didn't recognize it.
On Wikipedia, these articles are labeled with the Expand tag. When I went to put this tag on the Bannerman article, it was redlinked -- the site didn't recognize it.


Do we use the expand tag? And if not, should we?--[[User:TheOmnius|[email protected]]] 02:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Do we use the expand tag? And if not, should we?--[[User:TheOmnius|[email protected]]] 02:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


:I don't see why there should be two tags which have similar purpose (just one is more so). I mean, if the page has a stub or a expand tag it would still need more content.
:I don't see why there should be two tags which have similar purpose (just one is more so). I mean, if the page has a stub or a expand tag it would still need more content.
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:Of course, this just makes me wonder why we have both a [[Template:Cleanup|Clean Up]] and [[Template:Gone to Pot|Gone to Pot]] Template. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 03:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Of course, this just makes me wonder why we have both a [[Template:Cleanup|Clean Up]] and [[Template:Gone to Pot|Gone to Pot]] Template. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 03:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


The main reason that occurs to me is that it helps us to prioritize what pages need to be added to. By having a separate section for stubs and expand articles, we can see what barely has any content and needs updating to be of any use, and what has a good bit of information, but could do with more.
The main reason that occurs to me is that it helps us to prioritize what pages need to be added to. By having a separate section for stubs and expand articles, we can see what barely has any content and needs updating to be of any use, and what has a good bit of information, but could do with more.


A simple way of looking at it, I suppose, is this: What is the purpose of having the [[Template:Stub|Stub]] Template, and would that purpose be better served/utilized by having a separate Expand template?--[[User:TheOmnius|TheOmnius]] 03:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
A simple way of looking at it, I suppose, is this: What is the purpose of having the [[Template:Stub|Stub]] Template, and would that purpose be better served/utilized by having a separate Expand template?--[[User:TheOmnius|TheOmnius]] 03:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


:I'm not sure if this is true for all the editors here, but I've never prioritized for which pages I add to or clean up. If there's a page which I can improve, I will try to improve it, be it a page with the Cleanup tag or the Gone to Pot tag. Even if a page needs a lot of work, if I can't improve, I won't improve it.
:I'm not sure if this is true for all the editors here, but I've never prioritized for which pages I add to or clean up. If there's a page which I can improve, I will try to improve it, be it a page with the Cleanup tag or the Gone to Pot tag. Even if a page needs a lot of work, if I can't improve, I won't improve it.
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::As for the cleanup and gone to pot templates generally the Gone to Pot template is used for articles that have major problems and need a lot of work to bring them to even bare standard. While cleanup the article has quality issues (out-of-universe stuff in an in-universe article, overly wordy information, articles that might need infobox and reformatting, those sorts of things). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 15:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::As for the cleanup and gone to pot templates generally the Gone to Pot template is used for articles that have major problems and need a lot of work to bring them to even bare standard. While cleanup the article has quality issues (out-of-universe stuff in an in-universe article, overly wordy information, articles that might need infobox and reformatting, those sorts of things). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 15:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


Okay. You guys seem to have a good handle on how things work here, and more specifically WHAT works here. I'm sure I'll make a few other suggestions that won't pan out - thanks in advance for putting up with them. --[[User:TheOmnius|TheOmnius]] 16:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. You guys seem to have a good handle on how things work here, and more specifically WHAT works here. I'm sure I'll make a few other suggestions that won't pan out - thanks in advance for putting up with them. --[[User:TheOmnius|TheOmnius]] 16:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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There are a number of articles on the site, most notably 13 Bannerman Road, which are labeled as stubs, but have a good deal more content than I would associate with a stub article.

On Wikipedia, these articles are labeled with the Expand tag. When I went to put this tag on the Bannerman article, it was redlinked -- the site didn't recognize it.

Do we use the expand tag? And if not, should we?--[email protected] 02:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why there should be two tags which have similar purpose (just one is more so). I mean, if the page has a stub or a expand tag it would still need more content.
Of course, this just makes me wonder why we have both a Clean Up and Gone to Pot Template. -<Azes13 03:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The main reason that occurs to me is that it helps us to prioritize what pages need to be added to. By having a separate section for stubs and expand articles, we can see what barely has any content and needs updating to be of any use, and what has a good bit of information, but could do with more.

A simple way of looking at it, I suppose, is this: What is the purpose of having the Stub Template, and would that purpose be better served/utilized by having a separate Expand template?--TheOmnius 03:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is true for all the editors here, but I've never prioritized for which pages I add to or clean up. If there's a page which I can improve, I will try to improve it, be it a page with the Cleanup tag or the Gone to Pot tag. Even if a page needs a lot of work, if I can't improve, I won't improve it.
And the stub template is used to tell people that the page needs more information. An expand template would be used to tell people that the page needs a bit more information. Much the same, really. -<Azes13 14:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm much the same as Azes13. I improve where I can, or I go on a random spree of fixing a select group/line of articles. We already have half a dozen stub templates to sort the stub articles into groups. I'm not sure what purpose an expand template would serve (if only to muddy the waters as to what needs improving). There is also Template:Section cleanup for sections of an article, rather than the whole article, that require a cleanup.
As for the cleanup and gone to pot templates generally the Gone to Pot template is used for articles that have major problems and need a lot of work to bring them to even bare standard. While cleanup the article has quality issues (out-of-universe stuff in an in-universe article, overly wordy information, articles that might need infobox and reformatting, those sorts of things). --Tangerineduel 15:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay. You guys seem to have a good handle on how things work here, and more specifically WHAT works here. I'm sure I'll make a few other suggestions that won't pan out - thanks in advance for putting up with them. --TheOmnius 16:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)