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Please see the original thread [[ | Please see the original thread [[Howling:5 Things to look for in Series 5]] and the summary thread [[Howling:5 things to look for: Overall]]. | ||
This was originally proposed elsewhere, and added by me (anonymously) to the original thread. We know that "Silence will fall" is important, and there's a "silent menace" following the Doctor and Amy. | This was originally proposed elsewhere, and added by me (anonymously) to the original thread. We know that "Silence will fall" is important, and there's a "silent menace" following the Doctor and Amy. | ||
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* [[The Time of Angels]]/[[Flesh and Stone]]: The closest thing to silence seems to be people being told to shut up. | * [[The Time of Angels]]/[[Flesh and Stone]]: The closest thing to silence seems to be people being told to shut up. | ||
--[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 02:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC) | --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 02:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC) | ||
------- The Beast Below, the silence of the engines and (though it is not entirely true) the smilers. | |||
------- Victory of the Daleks, there a few silent pauses, the all-clear indicates silence instead of bombing, and the silence of war (dead). | |||
------- Silence of the Dead, silence of statues. | |||
------- Throughout the series, Silence sightings. [[Special:Contributions/142.59.160.247|142.59.160.247]] 02:28, August 1, 2011 (UTC) | |||
[[The Vampires of Venice]] : Rosanna tells the doctor about her planet and how it fell to silence in a crack. At the end when all the people disappear he asks Rory what he can hear and he replies "Nothing. All i can hear is silence" [[User:TheDoctorGemma|TheDoctorGemma]] 16:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The Beast Below Do you mean the silence of no engine flying the ship ? Also the smilers are totally silent [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 06:08, April 29, 2010 (UTC) | The Beast Below Do you mean the silence of no engine flying the ship ? Also the smilers are totally silent [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 06:08, April 29, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::And there's not necessarily a contradiction. If you accept that there are two timelines, history was rewritten 100% on one, but 0% on the other. But, because of the Doctor, these two timelines are kept in contact, which causes things to bleed into the "alternate" timeline from the "original" one. Let's say the ring exists for the Doctor, but not for non-time-travelers. Well, he can still tell people about the ring, which has just as much causal efficacy as showing it to them, right? So, the future of the Rory-erased timeline still depends on the present of the Rory-exists timeline as well as its own present, just because the Doctor met Rory. | :::And there's not necessarily a contradiction. If you accept that there are two timelines, history was rewritten 100% on one, but 0% on the other. But, because of the Doctor, these two timelines are kept in contact, which causes things to bleed into the "alternate" timeline from the "original" one. Let's say the ring exists for the Doctor, but not for non-time-travelers. Well, he can still tell people about the ring, which has just as much causal efficacy as showing it to them, right? So, the future of the Rory-erased timeline still depends on the present of the Rory-exists timeline as well as its own present, just because the Doctor met Rory. | ||
:::As for Amy, my favorite theory is that she's sort of straddling the two timelines, with a history that isn't even remotely consistent, but her brain keeps inventing memory as needed to keep her from noticing this (as we all do all the time). And that's what will make the ring significant. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 21:45, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | :::As for Amy, my favorite theory is that she's sort of straddling the two timelines, with a history that isn't even remotely consistent, but her brain keeps inventing memory as needed to keep her from noticing this (as we all do all the time). And that's what will make the ring significant. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 21:45, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Are you saying that if the Doctor shows people the ring they might not be able to see it at all? Or is it more like the ring now has some sort of perception filter on it? Or did I just misunderstand that part of what you were saying? [[User:V00D00M0NKY|V00D00M0NKY]] 22:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::No, I'm saying that it doesn't actually matter either way. Even if they can't see it, the very fact that the Doctor (who is, if necessary, demonstrably neither a liar nor a lunatic--"Look at my TARDIS, my TARDIS is amazing") is trying to show it to them would still mean that they're being affected by its existence, in a way that wouldn't be possible if theirs were the only timeline. | |||
::::But my guess is that (a) it doesn't exist in their timeline, but (b) if he just landed the TARDIS somewhere, stepped out, and started shouting, "Hey, everyone check out this ring!" they'd all see it. After all, the TARDIS, the Doctor, the jelly babies or cricket balls in his pockets, etc. didn't exist in their timeline either until he landed, and everyone can see them. How is the ring any different? As I said, erasing things from history really doesn't create any issues that time travel hasn't already created. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 22:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||