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I'm not saying the Blessing healed Jilly, after all, the chinese man was pretty badly injured, but it could have saved her life. And, as you say, she had plenty of time to recover. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.209.160|94.72.209.160]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.209.160#top|talk to me]]</sup> 11:44, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | I'm not saying the Blessing healed Jilly, after all, the chinese man was pretty badly injured, but it could have saved her life. And, as you say, she had plenty of time to recover. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.209.160|94.72.209.160]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.209.160#top|talk to me]]</sup> 11:44, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | ||
It '''could '''have saved her life, yes, but do we have any good reason to believe it did? She '''could '''simply have been lucky enough not to catch the main force of the blast. She was, after all, trying to get away; maybe she succeeded. Anyway, if there was nothing unusual about her healing, that makes it very unlikely she "caught" Jack-style immortality because that '''does '''lead to unusual healing. --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.182.118|78.146.182.118]]<sup>[[User talk:78.146.182.118#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:10, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | |||
Enough about Jilly, anway. Anyone have any theories aout Esther? [[Special:Contributions/94.72.209.160|94.72.209.160]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.209.160#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:29, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | |||
I have a pretty good theory about Esther...she's dead. She got shot, the miracle ended, and she died. Based on how shocked they all were at Rex's immortality, it clearly wasn't something that they had seen before. Then, they went to a great deal of trouble to book Esther a funeral, which was difficult immediately after the Miracle, seemed very sad at her funeral, and wondered why the Blessing hadn't bothered to save her. There is no reason to believe that she isn't dead, and from what we saw it is very unlikely that she is alive. Besides, in Torchwood characters who are not Jack generally stay dead when they die. If they don't (like Owen or Suzie), then they just die again later and stay dead that time.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 20:11, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | |||
I'm not disagreeing with you, but when I saw the funeral scene I noticed something weird... Usually when Jack hears about a death he has this incredibly noticable air of melancholy about him. But at the funeral he didn't seem as upset. Whether or not this is because after the Miracle he felt that death was a good thing, or perhaps that he secretly didn't like Esther, it's odd how he was laughing and joking about how hard it was to book a funeral a few minutes later. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.209.160|94.72.209.160]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.209.160#top|talk to me]]</sup> 21:47, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | |||
I don't reckon it was weird, in the circumstances. Although he likely was upset about Esther's death, the lot of them had just accomplished a very major mission against heavy odds and (on a selfish level) Jack had got his own immortality back. There's also the natural tendency to refuse to take really dire situations too seriously -- something that showed up, for example, among RAF aircrew during WWII -- simply because it wouldn't be possible to keep going, otherwise. --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.23.109|2.96.23.109]]<sup>[[User talk:2.96.23.109#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:51, January 2, 2012 (UTC) | |||
If there are to be more seasons of Torchwood, then Jilly is bound to return in a future episode one day. Hopefully then she'll tell Gwen and Jack some story about how she managed to crawl from the burning wreckage with horrible injuries. The only possible way BOTH Rex and Jilly could have got immortality is that they both lost blood near the Blessing, but that theory is pretty much ruled out instantly, because Esther also lost blood whilst near the Blessing but she never got immortality, she's dead, Jane Espenson confirmed it. So hopefully one day we'll find out what happened to Jilly in a bit more detail in a future season. [[Special:Contributions/87.102.117.106|87.102.117.106]]<sup>[[User talk:87.102.117.106#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:50, January 6, 2012 (UTC) | |||
If Jilly told a story like that, nobody with a grain of sense would believe her without cast-iron proof. She's not what you'd call a reliable witness. (Personally, if she told me it was dark at night, I'd feel the need to check for myself.) --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.183.1|78.146.183.1]]<sup>[[User talk:78.146.183.1#top|talk to me]]</sup> 22:36, January 6, 2012 (UTC) | |||
So, either Jilly was made a fixed point in time by the Earth's crack, or she just got lucky and merely took a minor blow to the head which rendered her unconcious. I'd go with the latter. [[Special:Contributions/83.100.188.140|83.100.188.140]]<sup>[[User talk:83.100.188.140#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:44, January 13, 2012 (UTC) | |||
I'd have to agree. [[Special:Contributions/77.86.9.25|77.86.9.25]]<sup>[[User talk:77.86.9.25#top|talk to me]]</sup> 21:59, January 16, 2012 (UTC) | |||
Maybe she's the Rani (sarcasm). [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:35, January 17, 2012 (UTC) | |||
I thought that we had all agreed that the Rani was Madame Kovarian. And Dorium. And Rose. And River. And Amy. And Donna. Actually none of those theories make sense. Oswald must be the Rani.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 19:23, January 17, 2012 (UTC) | |||
Really? I thought Wilf was the Rani because he was responsible for Ten's death. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 21:23, January 17, 2012 (UTC) | |||
Then Peri must also be the Rani because she was responsible for Five's death. And the Rani must also be the Rani because she was responsible for Six's death.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 01:19, January 18, 2012 (UTC) | |||
ok, can we also make it that we shouldn't mention the r word (rani) on this thread as well? it really is boring and unhelpful. [[User:Imamadmad|Imamadmad]] <sup>[[User talk:Imamadmad|talk to me]]</sup> 04:49, January 18, 2012 (UTC) | |||
The pattern seems to be that once there is no longer anything to say on the subject of a thread, it degenerates into saying that random people are the Rani. I think it's been pretty much established that Jilly is probably still mortal, and there probably isn't any more evidence to support one side or the other than what's already been stated.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 05:24, January 18, 2012 (UTC) | |||
Perhaps Imamadmad is the Rani and that's why they don't want people to speculate? [[Special:Contributions/94.72.236.250|94.72.236.250]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.236.250#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:28, March 16, 2012 (UTC) | |||
ahh, you found my secret :P [[User:Imamadmad|Imamadmad]] <sup>[[User talk:Imamadmad|talk to me]]</sup> 00:31, March 18, 2012 (UTC) | |||