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 Well there's no chance TCOFD is canonical because time lords don't have parallel counterparts but oh well there's no point to this silly discussion anyway. [[Special:Contributions/87.102.117.106|87.102.117.106]]<sup>[[User talk:87.102.117.106#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:33, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
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 The parallel Universe in ROTC/TAOS had split off from our universe. It's assumed that this universe became seperate due to Queen Victoria being killed by the werewolf. So unless the Moviewhoniverse could have split off I doubt Doctor Who and the Daleks is canon. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:18, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
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 PS: just realised it's more likely to be Doomsday I'm talking about here. It was an episode with Pete, anyway. (I think). [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:24, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+Since Pete wasn't in ''Army of Ghosts'', it probably was ''Doomsday''. On the abbreviations: I assume you want us to think about what you're saying, rather than devoting our attention to decoding abbreviations. There's not much point in making a contribution, then obscuring it so that we pay attention to something else. --[[Special:Contributions/89.242.75.47|89.242.75.47]]<sup>[[User talk:89.242.75.47#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:18, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+Well, after looking on the archives and seeing how good you guys are at finding even the smallest clues I assumed you'd pick up on the fact that I must be talking about an episode to do with the subject. There have only been a few, so the list is narrowed down from 50 years worth of episode. Anyway, it doesn't matter, in future I will not be lazy and write out the title fully to avoid confusion. Hopefully when someone decides to rewatch it they can clarify whether or not my memory is correct. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:47, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+Does anybody know where in either episode this reference comes from, because I don't remember that, although, admittedly, I haven't seen the episode in a while.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 16:26, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+I don't know for definite which it was, if it WAS either of those two, but I do remember that the Doctor was cut off mid-sentence, which suggests he was explaining the whole parallel universe concept to Pete. If you are going to check, and remember you're going by a memory of mine from a few months ago, I'd suggest you check the scene where Pete meets original Jackie, in Doomsday. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:47, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+Okay, I just watched that scene, and what the Doctor said was "every single decision we make creates a parallel existance, a different dimension where-" before he was cut off by Jackie. Based on that explanation though, it seems possible that the universe could have been created by a single change, like Queen Victoria, but even more likely that there were a lot of different decisions that were made, throughout history. Also, this may have been explained in the novel, but wasn't the werewolf just trying to bite Victoria, not kill her?[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 18:30, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+I'd be prepared to bet that in the split events led to Queen Victoria being cornered and she took her own life to prevent the Werewolf from getting her. Let's face it - Queen Victoria wouldn't be amused by a Werewolf bite. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.237.220|94.72.237.220]]<sup>[[User talk:94.72.237.220#top|talk to me]]</sup> 19:20, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+Well in at least one universe she was bitten and just chose to ignore it. Anyway, based on the Doctor's partial explanation, there would probably be a lot more universes where there were many different decisions made than just the one. Anyway, none of this really matters to the main point at hand. Going back to ''Inferno'', it was never stated that there were was any point when the 2 universes split, but based on the Doctor's explanation, it is possible that they must have at some point. Therefore, the Dalek movies could just as easily never mentioned the point that the 2 universes only split due to different decisions that were made. However, since it was never stated that the Dalek movies take place in a parallel universe, we have to assume that they don't.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 19:30, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
+Our decisions are determined by certain factors. Say if Vic was running down the corridor and had a choice of going left or right. Whichever way she chose there would be a reason for it. As Clyde says in Vault of Secrets, things are tied together by bits of string, what happens will happen. It's a lot more likely that in Pete's world events are tied a lot differently, events starting from the very beginning of that universe that determine that the architecht of Torchwood manor had a bad day and couldn't be bothered to build a corridor going right, leading Vic to a dead end. It's more than just "splits", it's small events being different leading up to one big event being different and having huge consequences. [[Special:Contributions/83.100.196.53|83.100.196.53]]<sup>[[User talk:83.100.196.53#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:07, February 27, 2012 (UTC)