Forum:Arch enemies: Difference between revisions
From Tardis Wiki, the free Doctor Who reference
No edit summary |
m (enforcing Forum:Prefix simplification) |
||
| (3 intermediate revisions by 3 users not shown) | |||
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
{{ | {{archive|Panopticon archives}}[[category:out of date]] | ||
<!-- Please put your content under this line. Be sure to sign your edits with four tildes ~~~~ --> | |||
I was wondering about the arch enemies section. It includes the master and Davros should we not have the Daleks in there Too. I always thought the Daleks were the doctors arch enemies, I know the master was concieved as Moriarty to his sherlock holmes but still the Daleks were there first. Not only has he said they are many times [Day of the Daleks, Victory of the Daleks] but the Daleks are the ones every one knows about. If you were to ask someone on the street who didn't even watch doctor who to name a doctor who villain off the top of their heads it would be the Daleks. The daleks are the other guy it's like you say batman, someone will say Joker, Superman, Lex Luthor Doctor who and the Daleks, growing up in the nineties when doctor who wasn't on some of the people at school I knew actually thought it was called Doctor who and the Daleks rather than Doctor who. The Daleks should at least be there. I would also like to point out aswell to the modern generation it will be the Daleks too as they are the only baddies to show up every year.  | I was wondering about the arch enemies section. It includes the master and Davros should we not have the Daleks in there Too. I always thought the Daleks were the doctors arch enemies, I know the master was concieved as Moriarty to his sherlock holmes but still the Daleks were there first. Not only has he said they are many times [Day of the Daleks, Victory of the Daleks] but the Daleks are the ones every one knows about. If you were to ask someone on the street who didn't even watch doctor who to name a doctor who villain off the top of their heads it would be the Daleks. The daleks are the other guy it's like you say batman, someone will say Joker, Superman, Lex Luthor Doctor who and the Daleks, growing up in the nineties when doctor who wasn't on some of the people at school I knew actually thought it was called Doctor who and the Daleks rather than Doctor who. The Daleks should at least be there. I would also like to point out aswell to the modern generation it will be the Daleks too as they are the only baddies to show up every year.  | ||
| Line 8: | Line 9: | ||
::Sure, prototypically an arch-enemy is a single person. But the whole point of a prototype category is that an instance doesn't have to fit every attribute to fit into the category. Prototypically, someone has only one arch-enemy, like Sherlock and Moriarty or Superman and Luthor, but we've already broken that by listing more than one for the Doctor. (And likewise, Spider-man has three arch-enemies, as does Woody Woodpecker.) | ::Sure, prototypically an arch-enemy is a single person. But the whole point of a prototype category is that an instance doesn't have to fit every attribute to fit into the category. Prototypically, someone has only one arch-enemy, like Sherlock and Moriarty or Superman and Luthor, but we've already broken that by listing more than one for the Doctor. (And likewise, Spider-man has three arch-enemies, as does Woody Woodpecker.) | ||
::In-universe, Amy ( | ::In-universe, Amy ([[TV]]: ''[[Victory of the Daleks]]'', 39:29) described the Daleks as the Doctor's arch-enemies, to which he replied "suppose so". Do we have to correct them? | ||
::In real life, news media and politicians have referred to organizations like the TTP and Al Qaeda are arch-enemies of Pakistan, the West, "freedom", etc. This could be figurative or hyperbolic, but nobody has any trouble understanding what they mean. | ::In real life, news media and politicians have referred to organizations like the TTP and Al Qaeda are arch-enemies of Pakistan, the West, "freedom", etc. This could be figurative or hyperbolic, but nobody has any trouble understanding what they mean. | ||
| Line 15: | Line 16: | ||
::So, given these usages, I don't see any problem with accepting that Amy and the Doctor are right, and the Daleks collectively count as arch-enemies for the Doctor. (And he's _definitely_ an arch-enemy for them, collectively.) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 03:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ::So, given these usages, I don't see any problem with accepting that Amy and the Doctor are right, and the Daleks collectively count as arch-enemies for the Doctor. (And he's _definitely_ an arch-enemy for them, collectively.) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 03:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Archivist's notes== | |||
Not really sure what this thread is about, honestly. As far as I'm aware, we don't use the term "arch enemy" on the wiki. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:16: Sun 06 Nov 2011 </span> | |||
Latest revision as of 04:49, 19 September 2012
Forums → Archive index → Panopticon archives → Arch enemies
I was wondering about the arch enemies section. It includes the master and Davros should we not have the Daleks in there Too. I always thought the Daleks were the doctors arch enemies, I know the master was concieved as Moriarty to his sherlock holmes but still the Daleks were there first. Not only has he said they are many times [Day of the Daleks, Victory of the Daleks] but the Daleks are the ones every one knows about. If you were to ask someone on the street who didn't even watch doctor who to name a doctor who villain off the top of their heads it would be the Daleks. The daleks are the other guy it's like you say batman, someone will say Joker, Superman, Lex Luthor Doctor who and the Daleks, growing up in the nineties when doctor who wasn't on some of the people at school I knew actually thought it was called Doctor who and the Daleks rather than Doctor who. The Daleks should at least be there. I would also like to point out aswell to the modern generation it will be the Daleks too as they are the only baddies to show up every year.  User:Winehousefan, 14:50, 29, May 2010 [UTC]
- "Archenemy" means one or two people, not a country or a whole species. --Stardizzy2 19:27, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Sure, prototypically an arch-enemy is a single person. But the whole point of a prototype category is that an instance doesn't have to fit every attribute to fit into the category. Prototypically, someone has only one arch-enemy, like Sherlock and Moriarty or Superman and Luthor, but we've already broken that by listing more than one for the Doctor. (And likewise, Spider-man has three arch-enemies, as does Woody Woodpecker.)
- In-universe, Amy (TV: Victory of the Daleks, 39:29) described the Daleks as the Doctor's arch-enemies, to which he replied "suppose so". Do we have to correct them?
- In real life, news media and politicians have referred to organizations like the TTP and Al Qaeda are arch-enemies of Pakistan, the West, "freedom", etc. This could be figurative or hyperbolic, but nobody has any trouble understanding what they mean.
- In comics: in-universe, Doctor Doom called the Fantastic Four his arch-enemies; behind the scenes, Grant Morrison described his intention to make the Brotherhood of Dada into "a recurring arch-enemy for the [Doom] Patrol"; in reference, Wikipedia lists the Brotherhood of Mutants as the arch-enemies of the X-Men.
- So, given these usages, I don't see any problem with accepting that Amy and the Doctor are right, and the Daleks collectively count as arch-enemies for the Doctor. (And he's _definitely_ an arch-enemy for them, collectively.) --Falcotron 03:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Archivist's notes[[edit source]]
Not really sure what this thread is about, honestly. As far as I'm aware, we don't use the term "arch enemy" on the wiki.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 15:16: Sun 06 Nov 2011
