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:I personally think I would prefer one page, since neither of the other incarnations are particularly large in article length, so would be easily integrated to River's page, however I wouldn't object to three different pages. And also on that note, should we not discuss the naming of the pages? Because right now the River Song incarnation is "Melody Pond (River Song)", but I think it should be simply "River Song". Just like Amy's is titled "Amy Pond" instead of "Amelia Pond" because that's what she is known as most. River is most known as River, even if her birth name is Melody Pond. | :I personally think I would prefer one page, since neither of the other incarnations are particularly large in article length, so would be easily integrated to River's page, however I wouldn't object to three different pages. And also on that note, should we not discuss the naming of the pages? Because right now the River Song incarnation is "Melody Pond (River Song)", but I think it should be simply "River Song". Just like Amy's is titled "Amy Pond" instead of "Amelia Pond" because that's what she is known as most. River is most known as River, even if her birth name is Melody Pond. | ||
:So, if it is to be three pages they should be named after their most known name. The little girl should simply be Melody Pond, Mels should be Mels and River Song should be River Song, as that's what they're all called, not Melody Pond (Spacesuit)/(Mels)/(River Song) which looks rather messy as the page title. If it's one page, then I suggest simply River Song, as that's the name she has been known by most with Melody Pond and Mels being redirects. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 18:24, August 28, 2011 (UTC) | :So, if it is to be three pages they should be named after their most known name. The little girl should simply be Melody Pond, Mels should be Mels and River Song should be River Song, as that's what they're all called, not Melody Pond (Spacesuit)/(Mels)/(River Song) which looks rather messy as the page title. If it's one page, then I suggest simply River Song, as that's the name she has been known by most with Melody Pond and Mels being redirects. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 18:24, August 28, 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Absolutely should be one page. I support [[user:The Thirteenth Doctor]]'s redirection scheme. I'm more strongly negative on the multi-page idea than anyone else in the discussion, however. I actually '''am''' fussed that there are multiple pages. The character is River Song, period, just like [[Borusa]] is ''only'' Borusa. Before anyone brings up [[the Master]], I'm opposed to that whole thing existing as multiple pages, too, and always have been. So the current existence of multiple Master articles isn't a positive precedent for there being multiple River articles. I do think we can say, however, that there should be a [[Melody Pond (Ganger)]] page, however, as that is a unique entity. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | ::Absolutely should be one page. I support [[user:The Thirteenth Doctor]]'s redirection scheme. I'm more strongly negative on the multi-page idea than anyone else in the discussion, however. I actually '''am''' fussed that there are multiple pages. The character is River Song, period, just like [[Borusa]] is ''only'' Borusa. Before anyone brings up [[the Master]], I'm opposed to that whole thing existing as multiple pages, too, and always have been. So the current existence of multiple Master articles isn't a positive precedent for there being multiple River articles. I do think we can say, however, that there should be a [[Melody Pond (Ganger)]] page, however, as that is a unique entity. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''18:30:34 Sun '''28 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
Finally! I agree completely on this front and that of [[the Master]]. I also agree with [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor]] that the page should be "River Song", not "Melody Pond", but the redirects would be necessary.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 18:36, August 28, 2011 (UTC) | Finally! I agree completely on this front and that of [[the Master]]. I also agree with [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor]] that the page should be "River Song", not "Melody Pond", but the redirects would be necessary.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 18:36, August 28, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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: Boblipton, if you wanted to find out something about her, you could just read the 'umbrella page', as it's being called, for a quick overview. If you wanted to actually read more in-depth information about her, you would go to the respective incarnation's article. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 22:11, September 1, 2011 (UTC) | : Boblipton, if you wanted to find out something about her, you could just read the 'umbrella page', as it's being called, for a quick overview. If you wanted to actually read more in-depth information about her, you would go to the respective incarnation's article. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 22:11, September 1, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Right now there's really no need to give Melody multiple articles. There is one incarnation who has appeared in a handful of stories, and two other incarnations who have appeared in one story each. River will probably continue to appear in stories for years, but it will most likely just be the one incarnation anyway with maybe a flashback or two to the other two. At present, there isn't really enough information to make it worth adding more pages. Also, Rassilon of Old, you wouldn't have understood the aon's references even if you had seen the classic series. He's talking about the other spin-off media. All of the clasic series Masters do have articles, and most of them appeared in many episodes(although | Right now there's really no need to give Melody multiple articles. There is one incarnation who has appeared in a handful of stories, and two other incarnations who have appeared in one story each. River will probably continue to appear in stories for years, but it will most likely just be the one incarnation anyway with maybe a flashback or two to the other two. At present, there isn't really enough information to make it worth adding more pages. Also, Rassilon of Old, you wouldn't have understood the aon's references even if you had seen the classic series. He's talking about the other spin-off media. All of the clasic series Masters do have articles, and most of them appeared in many episodes(although The Master (Tersurus) was only in two episodes, but that page's existance seems to be under debate now anyway).[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 23:48, September 1, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:I think everyone bug Rassilon of Old agrees here, so what we need for a consensus is to find out what he thinks is missing from a single page, and whether we can get what he wants without splitting the page. So here's a suggestion: Rassilon, add all the Mels information you want to the existing River article. If people complain that it's too long or unwieldy (or if they just chop it out without commenting on the Talk page), that's good evidence that it needs its own article. Ask friends who aren't that familiar with this wiki to find information about Mels on the article; if they have a problem finding it, that's good evidence too. If something like that happens, you'll probably be able to sell everyone else on splitting her off. If it doesn't, maybe you'll realize you're happy with the single-page result. | :I think everyone bug Rassilon of Old agrees here, so what we need for a consensus is to find out what he thinks is missing from a single page, and whether we can get what he wants without splitting the page. So here's a suggestion: Rassilon, add all the Mels information you want to the existing River article. If people complain that it's too long or unwieldy (or if they just chop it out without commenting on the Talk page), that's good evidence that it needs its own article. Ask friends who aren't that familiar with this wiki to find information about Mels on the article; if they have a problem finding it, that's good evidence too. If something like that happens, you'll probably be able to sell everyone else on splitting her off. If it doesn't, maybe you'll realize you're happy with the single-page result. | ||
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:As for the Master: Well, you surely know his little-boy form from ''Last of the Time Lords'' and ''The End of Time'', and possibly the deathworm from the TV movie, who also don't have articles. Anyway, the point is this: Just because Harold Saxon needs a separate page doesn't mean the little boy needs a separate page, and, in the same way, even if Mels turns out to need a separate page, that doesn't mean the little girl does too. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 03:49, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | :As for the Master: Well, you surely know his little-boy form from ''Last of the Time Lords'' and ''The End of Time'', and possibly the deathworm from the TV movie, who also don't have articles. Anyway, the point is this: Just because Harold Saxon needs a separate page doesn't mean the little boy needs a separate page, and, in the same way, even if Mels turns out to need a separate page, that doesn't mean the little girl does too. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 03:49, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Archivist's notes == | == Archivist's notes == | ||
In practice, we now have only one page for River Song, with all other names redirecting to River. Also, we have {{tlx|rivers}}, but it has been abandoned. Thus, we seem to have come to a consensus ''through action'' that we shall have only one page for [[River Song]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | In practice, we now have only one page for River Song, with all other names redirecting to River. Also, we have {{tlx|rivers}}, but it has been abandoned. Thus, we seem to have come to a consensus ''through action'' that we shall have only one page for [[River Song]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}00:27: Mon 30 Apr 2012 </span> | ||