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I'm disputing even making a page for this. On the relevant video, there's a reference to the [[Abzorbalovian Rebels]] being descendants of the [[Huspick Degenerate]] (in a graphic of the Degenerate's family tree), but there's not a single reference to "Victor Kennedy" or "Clom", nor is the tree directly attributed to Jack during his narration. What Jack ''does'' narrate over this family tree even seems to imply that the Rebels are Raxacoricofallapatorian family, rather than a "Clomian" one. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:41, October 19, 2012 (UTC) | I'm disputing even making a page for this. On the relevant video, there's a reference to the [[Abzorbalovian Rebels]] being descendants of the [[Huspick Degenerate]] (in a graphic of the Degenerate's family tree), but there's not a single reference to "Victor Kennedy" or "Clom", nor is the tree directly attributed to Jack during his narration. What Jack ''does'' narrate over this family tree even seems to imply that the Rebels are Raxacoricofallapatorian family, rather than a "Clomian" one. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:41, October 19, 2012 (UTC) | ||
{{quote|The distinctly dodgy Slitheen are cousins to some equally unpleasant Raxacoricofallapatorian families.|Captain [[Jack Harkness]]|Captain Jack's Monster Files}} | {{quote|The distinctly dodgy Slitheen are cousins to some equally unpleasant Raxacoricofallapatorian families.|Captain [[Jack Harkness]]|Captain Jack's Monster Files}} | ||
:I don't understand your issue. ''L&M'' establishes that his race is from Clom. It also establishes that he is an Abzorbaloff. So what the CJMF establishes is that the adjective and denomnym of Abzorbaloff is Abzorbalovian. Perhaps you could explain your position a bit more — and maybe do it over at [[Board:The Reference Desk]], cause this isn't a page I'm gonna remember to return to. (And the issue technically involves multiple pages anyway.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 06:59: Wed 19 Dec 2012</span> | |||
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Article title
If Captain Jack's Monster Files had an actual name, why is there a conjectural title? The following was removed at some point from the Abzorbaloff article:
- Unknown, dubbed "Abzorbaloff" by Elton Pope and the Tenth Doctor, possibly Clomian. However in Captain Jack's Monster Files in a freeze-frame, they are called the "Abzorbalovians."
--Nyktimos 23:38, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
- The reason is because in the narrative of L&M, it's very clear "Absorbaloff" is a name the Doctor invents, and the creature says, "I like that! Good!" It's quite clearly not his species name. Remember that CJMF are, narratively, Torchwood files, thus influenced by the Doctor's perception of events. Put another way, Jack's using the Doctor's name for them; it's not what they call themselves. It's the classic case of naming from the specific individual to the general group.
- We could get away with calling them "Absorbalovian", though, as long as we made it clear that wasn't their actual name, but rather one applied to them by Captain Jack. (Kinda in the same vein that "Ice Warrior" isn't the real name of that species, but a name given by Victoria, or "Chumbley" is a name of Vicki's invention)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 12:59:19 Wed 01 Jun 2011- Done. Changed over to Abzorbalovian, and all links changed too. Clomian now protected from re-creation. Abzorbalovian much preferable for reasons given by Nyktimos, but also because there is no definitive in-universe spelling of "Clom". As far as I know, it could be either Clom or Klom, doubling the problem of "Clomian".
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 13:59:22 Wed 01 Jun 2011 13:59, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Changed over to Abzorbalovian, and all links changed too. Clomian now protected from re-creation. Abzorbalovian much preferable for reasons given by Nyktimos, but also because there is no definitive in-universe spelling of "Clom". As far as I know, it could be either Clom or Klom, doubling the problem of "Clomian".
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I'm disputing even making a page for this. On the relevant video, there's a reference to the Abzorbalovian Rebels being descendants of the Huspick Degenerate (in a graphic of the Degenerate's family tree), but there's not a single reference to "Victor Kennedy" or "Clom", nor is the tree directly attributed to Jack during his narration. What Jack does narrate over this family tree even seems to imply that the Rebels are Raxacoricofallapatorian family, rather than a "Clomian" one. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:41, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
The distinctly dodgy Slitheen are cousins to some equally unpleasant Raxacoricofallapatorian families.
- I don't understand your issue. L&M establishes that his race is from Clom. It also establishes that he is an Abzorbaloff. So what the CJMF establishes is that the adjective and denomnym of Abzorbaloff is Abzorbalovian. Perhaps you could explain your position a bit more — and maybe do it over at Board:The Reference Desk, cause this isn't a page I'm gonna remember to return to. (And the issue technically involves multiple pages anyway.)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 06:59: Wed 19 Dec 2012
