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If we're going to list her species as | If we're going to list her species as peg doll, then we need to also include Ganger in that list as well, given that no separate article for the Ganger version of Amy exists. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.80.110|68.146.80.110]] 01:17, September 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Pardon me while I bang my head against a wall.[[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 01:24, September 12, 2011 (UTC) | Pardon me while I bang my head against a wall.[[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 01:24, September 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
: While I'd definitely say that the circumstances of her Ganger-hood doesn't technically make Amy herself "count" a Ganger (she's more of a human remotely controlling a Ganger shell), would it be bad form to label her as something along the lines of "Species - [[Human]] (briefly [[ | : While I'd definitely say that the circumstances of her Ganger-hood doesn't technically make Amy herself "count" a Ganger (she's more of a human remotely controlling a Ganger shell), would it be bad form to label her as something along the lines of "Species - [[Human]] (briefly [[peg doll (Night Terrors)|peg doll]])", or somesuch? She WAS in that form for a short while, and the other characters from ''[[Night Terrors]]'' have the similar "Human (Later peg doll)" in their infoboxes. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:02, December 18, 2011 (UTC) | ||
: I honestly think there comes a point where in an effort to be accurate, we become ungainly by including every f***ing detail. You are, I am sure, aware of the battles over "also known as" where nonce names and pet names are offered as the equivalents of assumed aliases. While Amy was transformed into a | : I honestly think there comes a point where in an effort to be accurate, we become ungainly by including every f***ing detail. You are, I am sure, aware of the battles over "also known as" where nonce names and pet names are offered as the equivalents of assumed aliases. While Amy was transformed into a peg doll, it was remedied by the end of the story. I have just finished editing'' [[Supernature]]'', in which she was briefly transformed into a Butterfly woman. Moreover, how do we handle the Doctor's species? Time Lord? What about the two episodes and comic strip in which he was human? Or ''[[The Two Doctors]]'', when he spent ten minutes as an Androgum? No! He is a Time Lord and Amy is human. I am not sure I can make the distinction crystal clear, but there has been much debate of these matters in the Panopticon. Basically, those listings are there to give us an overview throughout her appearences. The text gives us details. The time Amy spent as a peg doll was a plot detail, not a general statement. I think it should be left alone. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 01:52, December 24, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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No more Amy Williams-ing, please?
I removed "(later Amy Williams)" from the page. Her name is definately staying Amy Pond, thank god. You can check for yourselves - she's bailed on the credits as Amy Pond. Plus the Doctor constantly refers to she and Rory as "the Ponds" and "Mr and Mrs Pond", so if anything, he's taken her name. Sorry, but it sort of anoys me that there are people assume Amy will take Rory's name purely because she's a woman. I'm not calling you people sexist or anything; I'm just saying you need to keep a broader outlook on things. MidnightCat 20:00, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
There was no suggestion of this but you can hardly take the Doctor's word as gospel. Rory seemed pretty certain he was not Pond after his wedding. This happened before with people saying there was no proof that Gwen Cooper took Rhys Williams' name.----Skittles the hog--Talk 20:03, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Which is fair enough, but the names used in the closing credits are gospel. 68.146.78.43 14:54, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
Er, I don't get it... How come this page is still called "Amy POND" after Amy' wedding with Rory WILLIAMS ? Donna Noble and Jo Grant both get married too, and the name of their pages has changed to, respectively, "Donna TEMPLE-NOBLE" and "Jo JONES".
So why Amy doesn't deserve the same treatment ? She is now, like Donna and Jo, a former companion of the Doctor, she got married, and the Doctor even referred to her as "Amy Williams", just before her departure from the TARDIS... Chapeltok talk to me 10:59, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
Chapeltok - Because, very simply, Amy chose to keep her maiden name. One sybolic referrence to her as "Amy Williams" does not cancel out the dozens of times since her wedding she has been referred to as "Amy Pond" She gives her own name as Amy Pond in the Girl Who Waited, if you recall. 95.148.73.78 19:14, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
Please remove "pregnant wife" reference in the lead paragraph
Unless someone has seen a future episode, there is nothing to yet support that she is pregnant. The ending of Day of the Moon shows both positive and negative on the scan, so we do not know. Also, even if she is pregnant, this is not a permanent condition, so therefore should not be referenced in the introduction to the character. Someone with editing rights please remove it; the pregnancy can be discussed elsewhere in the article. 68.146.78.43 14:52, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
typo & misquoted/misheard
The article is locked, so I can't do this myself .. the section "Meeting The Doctor" contains two errors (that I can see). For one there's a missing "to" (or other fix needed) in the sentence-snippet "..but first had keep the TARDIS' engines from phasing, requiring a quick trip into the future .." - I suggest "but first had to keep" - other fixes are possible though.
The second - and much more important error IMHO is that if I'm not mishearing myself Amy didn't "bite" her shrinks, but rather she did "fight" them .. an understandable mishearing, in either direction, but I think an important distinction.
Flowtron 19:58, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Certainly "fighting" does make more sense. But I'm in love with the image of Amy biting four psychiatrists. It doesn't make as much sense, but boy is it funnier! :) —Robotech Master 04:30, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
Amy's powers?
I wonder if Amy's power of imagination that brought the Doctor back from the crack is still active? It never was really adequately explained…nor was there ever any specific indication that it was "over" after she brought the Doctor back. Hmmmm. —Robotech Master 04:30, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
Gwen Cooper
Is it worth noting the similarites to Gwen Cooper. I tried editing the page, but it was locked.
Not only is there the police connection, but also the fact that both married into the Williams surname, but are still referred to by their maiden names. You could also add Gwen's affair, and Amy's attempted seduction of the Doctor, but don't wanna be too tenuous. . . But still, gotta feel sorry for the Williams men. Geek Mythology 09:59, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
These seem to m me to be more coincidence than deliberate parallel. Boblipton talk to me 14:09, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
"As a Ganger" section
Since Amy Pond (Ganger) has a notice that says it should be merged and then deleted, should we change the "As a Ganger" section to a summary of Amy's appearences in episodes 1-6 of series 6? But I think it should keep the first paragraph with the fact that she was kidnapped. Glimmer721 20:49, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
first encounter?
for the caption of the picture of Amy Pond facing prisoner 0, it claims that this is her first encounter with an alien species, which is untrue because her first encounter was with the doctor. can somebody change this? Tessalecta 23:26, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
Do not remove...
Please do not remove the bit about amy and her parents after the doctor restarted the universe because it states: "Amy suceeded in restoring the family she had lost to the cracks, as well as a human again Rory." so her parents exist now because the doctor fixed it!!!
Species listing in infobox
If we're going to list her species as peg doll, then we need to also include Ganger in that list as well, given that no separate article for the Ganger version of Amy exists. 68.146.80.110 01:17, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Pardon me while I bang my head against a wall.Boblipton 01:24, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
- While I'd definitely say that the circumstances of her Ganger-hood doesn't technically make Amy herself "count" a Ganger (she's more of a human remotely controlling a Ganger shell), would it be bad form to label her as something along the lines of "Species - Human (briefly peg doll)", or somesuch? She WAS in that form for a short while, and the other characters from Night Terrors have the similar "Human (Later peg doll)" in their infoboxes. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:02, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
- I honestly think there comes a point where in an effort to be accurate, we become ungainly by including every f***ing detail. You are, I am sure, aware of the battles over "also known as" where nonce names and pet names are offered as the equivalents of assumed aliases. While Amy was transformed into a peg doll, it was remedied by the end of the story. I have just finished editing Supernature, in which she was briefly transformed into a Butterfly woman. Moreover, how do we handle the Doctor's species? Time Lord? What about the two episodes and comic strip in which he was human? Or The Two Doctors, when he spent ten minutes as an Androgum? No! He is a Time Lord and Amy is human. I am not sure I can make the distinction crystal clear, but there has been much debate of these matters in the Panopticon. Basically, those listings are there to give us an overview throughout her appearences. The text gives us details. The time Amy spent as a peg doll was a plot detail, not a general statement. I think it should be left alone. Boblipton talk to me 01:52, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
the Doctor said
The Doctor called her Amy Williams in the god Complex. He's finally admitted it. 78.105.95.95 20:38, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
Marital status on page
The page states:
- She was the girlfriend (and later wife) of Rory Williams
Seeing as everything is spoken of in the past tense, doesn't it make more sense to say that she was the wife of Rory Williams? She is his wife. The girlfriend part isn't so relevant anymore. D0ct0r11 • 16:41: Fri 9 Sep 2011
One of the issues in writing these things is that we wish to write them so they apply through or perhaps the word is across all the appearences. As he marital status changed throughout her appearences, that should be noted and the person reader this wiki for information will be alerted to those changes, in a manner that would not be available without the plural statuses noted. If Rory gets killed, we should then note her status as his widow. It is only those characters who remain constant in their statuses throughout their appearences which may not be worth noting.Boblipton 23:16, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Model for a perfume: before or after departure?
In Closing Time, the Doctor ran into Amy and Rory and sees that Amy is a model for a brand of perfume called Petrichor. It seems that scene takes place som time after Amy and Rory's departure from the Tardis.
But earlier, we can clearly see on a newspaper that the date is 19th April 2011, so two days before America and Lake Silencio. So the Amy we see in the mall in Closing Time has not yet seen the Doctor die. Therefore, I think that statement has to be moved between her honymoon and America.
But the statement only makes sense if it's set after The God Complex given the slogan of the perfume and what was said to Amy during the The God Complex. The whole Petrichor thing is from The Doctor's Wife too, making it further implied so (if I remember correctly, what petrichor means actually needs to be explained to Amy and Rory by Idris/the TARDIS). As I can't find any evidence that it's a real paper, I imagine someone screwed up and just left the actual date on the newspaper when it was made, thinking nobody would notice (although, apparently Closing Time's filming block was in March 2011 so maybe it was just a random date). I think we have another Rory's nametag controversy on our hands. ElevenOverboard talk to me 11:59, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
Alternative Timeline image
The image in the alternative timeline section is of Amy in the garden waiting for River...that does not take place in the alternative timeline. Wouldn't a better picture be of her with the eyepatch, maybe behind a desk? Glimmer721 talk to me 22:52, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
That would be good. I like her sexypose when she saying "Pond, Amelia Pond" like James Bond. Boblipton talk to me 23:00, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
Aliases.
Amy Williams should be added to the aliases section of the page, and here's why. I agree that ON SCREEN she says she kept her maiden name, but in PROSE: The Eye of the Jungle she is refered to as "Amy Williams" multiple times, thus it is an alias. If there are no objections, I will now add it to the page... OttselSpy25 talk to me 03:16, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Ottelspy, I disagree strongly. There's some discussion of this in the notes or continuity section. Boblipton talk to me 12:41, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I had an objection, so I will now remove it. OS24 14:37, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Written Adventures
Why aren't there any mentions to the novel, audio or comic adventures? I keep trying to add them, but why are they wrong? The timelines on the pages for the stories say where they belong, so what's the problem? I'm stumped (173.167.179.77talk to me 00:06, May 18, 2012 (UTC))
Where did the page go? I think you got vandalized 24.58.162.230talk to me 17:10, June 16, 2012 (UTC)
Amy Williams, 2012
Amy signed her (unsubmitted) divorce papers "Amy Williams". I think that sort of seals it, no? d ●•· 23:39, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
