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:Agreed. I'll look at how some of the "disputed companions" are referenced and try to do the same for her. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 05:08, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I'll look at how some of the "disputed companions" are referenced and try to do the same for her. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 05:08, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


:OK, I added the template and category to this article, added her to [[Template:Companions of the Eleventh Doctor]], and added her to [[List of companions]] in the "disputed companions" section. I hope that's all that's needed. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 05:19, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
:OK, I added the template and category to this article, added her to [[Template:Companions of the Eleventh Doctor]], and added her to List of companions in the "disputed companions" section. I hope that's all that's needed. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 05:19, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


:Huh? Tons of people travel in the TARDIS briefly. Romulus and Remus, a ton of people in Earthshock (including a Cyberman), the Graske in Music of the Spheres, ''the Master'' in the end of series 29 and probably at other times. Are they all companions too? Generally, short hops like that aren't counted. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 05:44, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
:Huh? Tons of people travel in the TARDIS briefly. Romulus and Remus (I think), a ton of people in Earthshock (including a Cyberman), the Graske in Music of the Spheres, ''the Master'' in the end of series 29 and probably at other times. Are they all companions too? Generally, short hops like that aren't counted. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 05:44, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
::The problem is, there's no actual official definition of "companion". That's why there's such a thing as "disputed companions" in the first place.
 
::Someone doesn't have to travel in the TARDIS to be a companion, and traveling in the TARDIS doesn't automatically make you a companion, but there is some connection.
 
::Enemies who stow away in or invade the TARDIS generally aren't counted. But people who assist the Doctor throughout the story, and are invited into the TARDIS for a trip, usually make the list. Hell, even [[The Viewer]] made the list. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 06:15, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I see that you reverted two of the three changes I made. Let's get a consensus here before reverting anything. It seems to me that listing her is more consistent with the rest of the site than not. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 07:02, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, there should've been consensus to put her ''on'' the list, far as I'm concerned.  Guys, c'mon.  She's not a companion.  We're being ''way'' premature based on 5 minutes at the end of the episode.  Just cause you take a peek inside the TARDIS — and, really, a totally ''unpowered'' trip at that — don't mean diddly.  Yes, there's no hard and fast definition of companion status, but she clearly doesn't have the same status as Amy or Rose or Zoe.  No one could ''reasonably'' assert that on the basis of what we've seen to date.  Unless someone's changed it recently, [[H. G. Wells]] isn't on the companions of the Sixth Doctor template, and that's an analogous situation.  Actually Wells has greater claim, come to think of it — but I still wouldn't put him on the list.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 07:18, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
I think we should wait to see what role she plays in the next episode before we call her a companion. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 07:26, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::I'm not saying she has the same status as Amy, Rose, or Zoe. [[Benton]], [[Jackson Lake]], etc. also don't have the same status as Amy, Rose, or Zoe either.
 
::::::I think we really need to resolve the general issue rather than arguing about this one specific case. See [[Forum:Who counts as a companion?]]. Honestly, I'd be happy with either removing a slew of companions, or adding a handful of them, but either way, I think it should be consistent. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 07:29, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Please refrain from adding her as a companion until you get consensus. Which you do not have, as people have pointed out that counting her on the basis of one unpowered trip is absurd. I will continue to remove it until you have consensus. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 19:02, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

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One-off companion status?[[edit source]]

When someone travels in the TARDIS with the Doctor, aren't they generally accorded companion status, at least in the broad sense? --Kudzu1 20:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll look at how some of the "disputed companions" are referenced and try to do the same for her. --Falcotron 05:08, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
OK, I added the template and category to this article, added her to Template:Companions of the Eleventh Doctor, and added her to List of companions in the "disputed companions" section. I hope that's all that's needed. --Falcotron 05:19, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
Huh? Tons of people travel in the TARDIS briefly. Romulus and Remus (I think), a ton of people in Earthshock (including a Cyberman), the Graske in Music of the Spheres, the Master in the end of series 29 and probably at other times. Are they all companions too? Generally, short hops like that aren't counted. --Golden Monkey 05:44, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
The problem is, there's no actual official definition of "companion". That's why there's such a thing as "disputed companions" in the first place.
Someone doesn't have to travel in the TARDIS to be a companion, and traveling in the TARDIS doesn't automatically make you a companion, but there is some connection.
Enemies who stow away in or invade the TARDIS generally aren't counted. But people who assist the Doctor throughout the story, and are invited into the TARDIS for a trip, usually make the list. Hell, even The Viewer made the list. --Falcotron 06:15, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
I see that you reverted two of the three changes I made. Let's get a consensus here before reverting anything. It seems to me that listing her is more consistent with the rest of the site than not. --Falcotron 07:02, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
Well, there should've been consensus to put her on the list, far as I'm concerned. Guys, c'mon. She's not a companion. We're being way premature based on 5 minutes at the end of the episode. Just cause you take a peek inside the TARDIS — and, really, a totally unpowered trip at that — don't mean diddly. Yes, there's no hard and fast definition of companion status, but she clearly doesn't have the same status as Amy or Rose or Zoe. No one could reasonably assert that on the basis of what we've seen to date. Unless someone's changed it recently, H. G. Wells isn't on the companions of the Sixth Doctor template, and that's an analogous situation. Actually Wells has greater claim, come to think of it — but I still wouldn't put him on the list. CzechOut | 07:18, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should wait to see what role she plays in the next episode before we call her a companion. ☆The Solar Dragon (Talk)☆ 07:26, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not saying she has the same status as Amy, Rose, or Zoe. Benton, Jackson Lake, etc. also don't have the same status as Amy, Rose, or Zoe either.
I think we really need to resolve the general issue rather than arguing about this one specific case. See Forum:Who counts as a companion?. Honestly, I'd be happy with either removing a slew of companions, or adding a handful of them, but either way, I think it should be consistent. --Falcotron 07:29, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
Please refrain from adding her as a companion until you get consensus. Which you do not have, as people have pointed out that counting her on the basis of one unpowered trip is absurd. I will continue to remove it until you have consensus. --Golden Monkey 19:02, May 23, 2010 (UTC)