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::Didn't know that!  Is it actually in the show, or just in the novels?  [[User:LostRaccoon|LostRaccoon]] 15:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::Didn't know that!  Is it actually in the show, or just in the novels?  [[User:LostRaccoon|LostRaccoon]] 15:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Well the hints that he has only one heart comes from the fact that it hadn't been invented yet ([[Spearhead from Space]] brought it in).  Thus, some first Doctor stories (notably [[The Edge of Destruction]]) had him with just one hart.  The novels tried to account for this. [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 14:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Well the hints that he has only one heart comes from the fact that it hadn't been invented yet ([[Spearhead from Space]] brought it in).  Thus, some first Doctor stories (notably [[The Edge of Destruction]]) had him with just one hart.  The novels tried to account for this. [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 14:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
::::First, a comment.  My original thoughts on the DoctorDonna is from when Donna said "I got his best part, his mind"  She already had a human body and of course a human could not take on a time-lord's consciousness, although a time-lord body could absorb the mind of a human, as seen when the Doctor kept all of "John Smith's" memories in the episode [[Family of Blood]]. A question... how does the Doctor know that the Metacrisis doctor is not able to regenerate?  He didn't know if Jenny would be able to regenerate (and for whatever reason, turned out to be incorrect, although that may be due to other factors, like the terraforming...sorry a tangent).  How do we know that the Metacrisis doctor won't grow another heart if he dies in a car accident?  Or the same for Donna, even? Or one could so far as to say the gene for regeneration could be passed through the Metacrisis Doctor to any descendants that he and Rose might produce?  And lastly, it seems I had heard/read/seen somewhere that the doctor was grown rather than born like natural Gallifreyans, after they had been made sterile.  Didn't he make some comment like he remembered being on the (I can't remember the name of the machine thing they grew them in)
::::First, a comment.  My original thoughts on the DoctorDonna is from when Donna said "I got his best part, his mind"  She already had a human body and of course a human could not take on a time-lord's consciousness, although a time-lord body could absorb the mind of a human, as seen when the Doctor kept all of "John Smith's" memories in the episode [[Family of Blood]]. A question... how does the Doctor know that the Metacrisis doctor is not able to regenerate?  He didn't know if Jenny would be able to regenerate (and for whatever reason, turned out to be incorrect, although that may be due to other factors, like the terraforming...sorry a tangent).  How do we know that the Metacrisis doctor won't grow another heart if he dies in a car accident?  Or the same for Donna, even? Or one could so far as to say the gene for regeneration could be passed through the Metacrisis Doctor to any descendants that he and Rose might produce?  And lastly, it seems I had heard/read/seen somewhere that the doctor was grown rather than born like natural Gallifreyans, after they had been made sterile.  Didn't he make some comment like he remembered being on the (I can't remember the name of the machine thing they grew them in)  [[User:Littlblueyes|Littlblueyes]] 06:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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Okay, so I have a theory that should resolve:

The 8th Doctor's claim to half-human parentage

The 1st Doctor only having one heart

The DoctorDonna not surviving

The Clone Doctor surviving

So, lets say the Doctor's Gallifreyan father and human mother get it on and have a kid, thus arrives the Doctor. He is half human, with one heart, and the ability to regenerate. So, fast forward 450 years and the Doctor is forced to regenerate for the first time. When he does so his body of course 'resets', and so he gains his second heart. Fast forward another few hundred years, and we have a meta-crisis Doctor. This doctor is grown from Gallifreyan and human material. This Doctor has one heart but by chance cannot regenerate. Of course when Donnor is changed her already-human genetic structure changes but not securely, meaning that he head will kill her sooner rather than later.

I'm happy to answer and questions, clarify, or try and fill and gaps in the theory.

Taccer 07 22:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Except for the bit where the Metacrisis Doctor is disgusted to find that he's half-human. That's really the thing that seems to scream that the Doctor is and has always been fully Time Lord. Although, off-topic, the first Doctor only had one heart? Really? LostRaccoon 14:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well some stories heavily imply that this is the case. Although the novels took care of that by suggestign that the second heart didn't grow till the first regeneration. Jack's the man - 14:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Didn't know that! Is it actually in the show, or just in the novels? LostRaccoon 15:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Well the hints that he has only one heart comes from the fact that it hadn't been invented yet (Spearhead from Space brought it in). Thus, some first Doctor stories (notably The Edge of Destruction) had him with just one hart. The novels tried to account for this. Jack's the man - 14:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
First, a comment. My original thoughts on the DoctorDonna is from when Donna said "I got his best part, his mind" She already had a human body and of course a human could not take on a time-lord's consciousness, although a time-lord body could absorb the mind of a human, as seen when the Doctor kept all of "John Smith's" memories in the episode Family of Blood. A question... how does the Doctor know that the Metacrisis doctor is not able to regenerate? He didn't know if Jenny would be able to regenerate (and for whatever reason, turned out to be incorrect, although that may be due to other factors, like the terraforming...sorry a tangent). How do we know that the Metacrisis doctor won't grow another heart if he dies in a car accident? Or the same for Donna, even? Or one could so far as to say the gene for regeneration could be passed through the Metacrisis Doctor to any descendants that he and Rose might produce? And lastly, it seems I had heard/read/seen somewhere that the doctor was grown rather than born like natural Gallifreyans, after they had been made sterile. Didn't he make some comment like he remembered being on the (I can't remember the name of the machine thing they grew them in) Littlblueyes 06:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)