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***This shouldn't even be open for debate: The Doctor said that Auton!Rory had the heart and soul of Human!Rory. Rory said "I was plastic." We have precedence for declaring Auton!Rory to be on some level "human", in the form of Edwin Bracewell. Auton!Rory didn't turn to stone like the rest of the Alliance, meaning he either qualified as being "of Earth" (like most of humanity) or a time-traveler (like the Doctor and possibly River Song), either of which making him the same person as Human!Rory. Clearly, the viewer is meant to accept that Auton!Rory=Human!Rory. -[[Special:Contributions/63.231.103.107|63.231.103.107]] 01:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC) | ***This shouldn't even be open for debate: The Doctor said that Auton!Rory had the heart and soul of Human!Rory. Rory said "I was plastic." We have precedence for declaring Auton!Rory to be on some level "human", in the form of Edwin Bracewell. Auton!Rory didn't turn to stone like the rest of the Alliance, meaning he either qualified as being "of Earth" (like most of humanity) or a time-traveler (like the Doctor and possibly River Song), either of which making him the same person as Human!Rory. Clearly, the viewer is meant to accept that Auton!Rory=Human!Rory. -[[Special:Contributions/63.231.103.107|63.231.103.107]] 01:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*Any progress on making a decision about merging the articles? [[Special:Contributions/207.171.242.72|207.171.242.72]] 02:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | *Any progress on making a decision about merging the articles? [[Special:Contributions/207.171.242.72|207.171.242.72]] 02:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
**Something with the memories of another being is not that being. Just as [[Mickey Smith (Auton)|Mickey]] had the memories of [[Mickey Smith|the original]], it was a different character. They are two different physical beings. It's the same for the artist androids in ''[[The War of Art]]''. They are androids, and different characters, so are ''not'' the original. The pages stay separate. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 12:43, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | **Something with the memories of another being is not that being. Just as [[Mickey Smith (Auton)|Mickey]] had the memories of [[Mickey Smith|the original]], it was a different character. They are two different physical beings. It's the same for the artist androids in ''[[The War of Art (WEB short story)|The War of Art]]''. They are androids, and different characters, so are ''not'' the original. The pages stay separate. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 12:43, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
**i agree with The Thirteenth Doctor, the pages should be kept seperate [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 12:45, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | **i agree with The Thirteenth Doctor, the pages should be kept seperate [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 12:45, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
**:: Count me on the other end - I think they should clearly be merged. Auton has the memories, he has the "heart and soul", according to the Doctor. Even more importantly, Rory has the memrories of being the Auton. And the Doctor clearly treats them as the same person, since he calls Rory "the boy who waited" - when the physical waiting was done by the Auton. Same person, two vessels. Rather like Eldrad or Morbius. [[Special:Contributions/207.171.242.72|207.171.242.72]] 22:06, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | **:: Count me on the other end - I think they should clearly be merged. Auton has the memories, he has the "heart and soul", according to the Doctor. Even more importantly, Rory has the memrories of being the Auton. And the Doctor clearly treats them as the same person, since he calls Rory "the boy who waited" - when the physical waiting was done by the Auton. Same person, two vessels. Rather like Eldrad or Morbius. [[Special:Contributions/207.171.242.72|207.171.242.72]] 22:06, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Two physically different beings with the same memories does not make them the same. We don't count Ood [[Sigma]] and the [[Ood Brain]] as the same, even though they share a hive mind. There are enough differences to warrant a separate article. And the Doctor treats anything with the memories of someone he knows like that person. Just read ''[[The War of Art]]''. Like I said, the Mickey Auton had the memories, and it has it's own page. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 22:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | :::::Two physically different beings with the same memories does not make them the same. We don't count Ood [[Sigma]] and the [[Ood Brain]] as the same, even though they share a hive mind. There are enough differences to warrant a separate article. And the Doctor treats anything with the memories of someone he knows like that person. Just read ''[[The War of Art (WEB short story)|The War of Art]]''. Like I said, the Mickey Auton had the memories, and it has it's own page. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 22:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:: But Eldrad and Morbius had two bodies (or more) each, and they don't get separate pages for each, do they? Also, I think it is the intent of the show that both are the same Rory. I think it was rather hammered in to the audience with the Doctor testing him and him passing, Rory having the memories and organic Rory getting credited for plastic Rory's actions. And them possesing the same "heart and soul." I really honestly do believe they are the same person. That the show says that explicitly. To me, obviously - not to you. [[Special:Contributions/207.171.242.72|207.171.242.72]] 21:05, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | :: But Eldrad and Morbius had two bodies (or more) each, and they don't get separate pages for each, do they? Also, I think it is the intent of the show that both are the same Rory. I think it was rather hammered in to the audience with the Doctor testing him and him passing, Rory having the memories and organic Rory getting credited for plastic Rory's actions. And them possesing the same "heart and soul." I really honestly do believe they are the same person. That the show says that explicitly. To me, obviously - not to you. [[Special:Contributions/207.171.242.72|207.171.242.72]] 21:05, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||