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 Ive never edited here, but am a big fan of the this site. I recently rewatched the 1996 movie and to me the half human comment seemed like a joke. The Doctor knows not to ust tell random humans that he's an alien, especially not when trying to be covert like he was there trying to steal part of the Atomic Clock. His comment to the man about being half human on his mother's side elicited a feigned chuckle and then the man walked away, turned off by the Doctor's strangeness. This allowed them to proceed to their goal. The way the Doctor has shown a keen understanding of human psychology and often uses this to his advantage, is it possible he simply said he was half human to serve his needs and get rid of the man. I've never read any of his novels or listened to the audio plays so maybe I'm wrong and he says he's half human several times. I just thought I'd contribute my opinion and let others decide if it was worth adusting on the page.
 :It still seems to be an uncertain thing, and there are many conflicting ideas about it. The fact that the Master also tells Lee that the Doctor is half-human, and then seemingly uses that knowledge in order to open the Eye of Harmony, strongly indicates that the authors intended to portray that the Doctor is indeed half-human. As I said though, there are many theories out there...All part of the mystery of the Doctor I suppose :) [[User:Spreee|Spreee]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Spreee
-::*The comic book [[The Forgotten]] offers an explanination for that [[User:Bigshowbower|Bigshowbower]] 06:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
+::*The comic book [[The Forgotten (comic story)|The Forgotten]] offers an explanination for that [[User:Bigshowbower|Bigshowbower]] 06:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 ::*That's one possibility, although it does seem to be at odds with the Doctor's statement in [[Human Nature (TV story)|Human Nature]] which gives the impression that he had not used the chameleon arch before. [[User:Spreee|Spreee]] 17:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Spreee
 :::*Ive always thought the effect of Human drugs plus post regeneration, played a part in him thinking he was half human, as the Third Doctor said "a teaspoon of asprin can kill him" or somthing to that affect, so what could the various drugs used in surgery do to him [[User:Bigshowbower|Bigshowbower]] 05:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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 If this is true, this is a happy day indeed for me. But I've searched, and all I can find out about the 4th series of the New Eighth Doctor Adventures is that Lucie is leaving in the first one, so I'd like to know if this actually comes from a source, or is just another ideal rumour.
 ==The Forgotten is not a reliable source==
-Okay, this thing's been bugging me for two days now. ''[[The Forgotten]]'' is mentioned so many times in this article, my head's spinning. A tiny lil 8 page sequence is totally taking control of this article, because people are absolutely desperate for it to be the final, clinching proof that the Eighth Doctor was in the Time War. And at first I thought I'd remembered there was no mention whatsoever to the Time War, and, indeed, there wasn't in the pages that actually feature the 8th Doctor. But then I read on a bit more in the issue and the Tenth Doctor appears to directly tie the Eighth to the Time War. So I rolled back some edits I'd made. But it was still bugging me, because it just doesn't make sense that an American comic book company would decide that they were going to do what RTD has steadfastly refused to do. The BBC still have editorial control over IDW's DW output. Sp I went back and read all six issues, from beginning to end. And here's the thing: the entire thing is a bunch of sound and fury signifying ''nothing''. By the time you get to the end, you realize '''it's all a dream'''. Throughout the entire thing Ten's having a hard time remembering any of these little episodes from past incarnations, so that right there casts doubt on the veracity of what he's saying. But then when you get to the end, it's not just that he's having a dream, but a dream within the TARDIS' Matrix. You can't trust a damn thing the story says about his past. I mean it's a nice story, a fun romp through nostalgia, but none of it can be thought of as real. So I think we need to strongly consider wholly rewriting that section about the Time War, and possibly eliminate it as a freestanding section. The events of ''The Forgotten'' can be in the 'discrepancies' section, or something like that. But the way this article is now gives far, far too much credence to the story. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 03:00, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
+Okay, this thing's been bugging me for two days now. ''[[The Forgotten (comic story)|The Forgotten]]'' is mentioned so many times in this article, my head's spinning. A tiny lil 8 page sequence is totally taking control of this article, because people are absolutely desperate for it to be the final, clinching proof that the Eighth Doctor was in the Time War. And at first I thought I'd remembered there was no mention whatsoever to the Time War, and, indeed, there wasn't in the pages that actually feature the 8th Doctor. But then I read on a bit more in the issue and the Tenth Doctor appears to directly tie the Eighth to the Time War. So I rolled back some edits I'd made. But it was still bugging me, because it just doesn't make sense that an American comic book company would decide that they were going to do what RTD has steadfastly refused to do. The BBC still have editorial control over IDW's DW output. Sp I went back and read all six issues, from beginning to end. And here's the thing: the entire thing is a bunch of sound and fury signifying ''nothing''. By the time you get to the end, you realize '''it's all a dream'''. Throughout the entire thing Ten's having a hard time remembering any of these little episodes from past incarnations, so that right there casts doubt on the veracity of what he's saying. But then when you get to the end, it's not just that he's having a dream, but a dream within the TARDIS' Matrix. You can't trust a damn thing the story says about his past. I mean it's a nice story, a fun romp through nostalgia, but none of it can be thought of as real. So I think we need to strongly consider wholly rewriting that section about the Time War, and possibly eliminate it as a freestanding section. The events of ''The Forgotten'' can be in the 'discrepancies' section, or something like that. But the way this article is now gives far, far too much credence to the story. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 03:00, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * This issue has been covered before. All licensed material is considered to have the same weight, whether it's a comic book or a novel or an episode. If you start picking and choosing, then everything falls apart and we have to disqualify everything that doesn't appear on television. Like Star Trek does. The rule as I understand it - and I believe Tangerineduel will back me up - is unless there is clear contradiction, and as long as it's got licence from the BBC, everything counts. (Exceptions include unofficial works, of course, as well as minor items such as, say, the BBC Writers Comics from the website. Also, occasions in which a story in one medium has been remade on TV - Human Nature, etc. - create a special case where the TV version prevails. This also goes for novelisations, though if you look at [[regeneration]] you'll see material from Saward's Twin Dilemma novel, in which he tried to explain how the process works, has been incorporated.) Bottom line is, until the TV series contradicts The Forgotten, then it prevails as the account of record. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 00:46, April 23, 2010 (UTC)