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I realise that it's included as part of a Second Doctor boxset, but the ''[[The Destroyers (audio story)|The Destroyers]]'' doesn't feature the Doctor (specified on [[ | <div id=tech> | ||
In order to avoid needless (near-)duplication of posts, this discussion has been put on hold until a broader conversation about the nature of prefixes can take place. Please proceed to [[Forum:Prefix simplification]]. This thread may be reopened for editing, if necessary, at a later date, so it is not being archived at this time. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}03:31: Tue 21 Aug 2012 </span> | |||
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I realise that it's included as part of a Second Doctor boxset, but the ''[[The Destroyers (audio story)|The Destroyers]]'' doesn't feature the Doctor (specified on [[AUDIO]] as a requirement for that prefix), nor is the cover on the page advertised as ''Doctor Who''. In fact, [[The Destroyers (unproduced spin-off)|the original script]]'s a pilot for an outright spin-off. | |||
Should this be reworked to a one-off prefix, as with the [[ | Should this be reworked to a one-off prefix, as with the [[TV]] pilot? Or should [[The Lost Stories]] as a whole be given a prefix instead to differentiate from the regular series? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 18:20, June 28, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Hmmm. Really good question. I tend to favor giving all the Lost Stories their own prefix. It's a pretty easy bot fix, so the work time isn't an issue in this case. The reason I like this approach is because the guys at Big Finish have been specifically asked about how the Seventh Doctor stuff is supposed to marry up, and Richardson said that the Lost Stories and the regular monthlies are "separate continuities". And there really ''is'' a tonal difference between the Sixth Doctor Lost Stories stuff and his regular BFA stuff. | :Hmmm. Really good question. I tend to favor giving all the Lost Stories their own prefix. It's a pretty easy bot fix, so the work time isn't an issue in this case. The reason I like this approach is because the guys at Big Finish have been specifically asked about how the Seventh Doctor stuff is supposed to marry up, and Richardson said that the Lost Stories and the regular monthlies are "separate continuities". And there really ''is'' a tonal difference between the Sixth Doctor Lost Stories stuff and his regular BFA stuff. | ||
:Actually the more I think about it, the more I think we should change BFA to BFM — for ''monthly'' — just so it's clear what Big Finish audios we actually mean. Again, it's not a hard bot fix. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :Actually the more I think about it, the more I think we should change BFA to BFM — for ''monthly'' — just so it's clear what Big Finish audios we actually mean. Again, it's not a hard bot fix. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}03:42: Tue 10 Jul 2012 </span> | ||
:: Would, in essence, anything not in the "monthly releases" segment of [[Big Finish Doctor Who audio stories|Big Finish ''Doctor Who'' audio stories]] page require a new prefix if we went throigh with that? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 10:15, July 10, 2012 (UTC) | :: Would, in essence, anything not in the "monthly releases" segment of [[Big Finish Doctor Who audio stories|Big Finish ''Doctor Who'' audio stories]] page require a new prefix if we went throigh with that? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 10:15, July 10, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::: There's also the whole [[ | ::: There's also the whole [[AUDIO]], which were originally radio broadcasts rather than CD and download releases. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 13:46, July 10, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:: To rephrase what I said, if we're making an entire prefix for the Lost Stories (rather than JUST ''The Destroyers''), then we need to look at each "Doctor Who subseries" that the BFA prefix currently encompasses, not just stories with a "different tone". I LIKE the early seasons of ''Torchwood'', but I'll freely admit the tone isn't all too consistent. Doesn't mean we make a, say, TWCE or TWMD prefix. | :: To rephrase what I said, if we're making an entire prefix for the Lost Stories (rather than JUST ''The Destroyers''), then we need to look at each "Doctor Who subseries" that the BFA prefix currently encompasses, not just stories with a "different tone". I LIKE the early seasons of ''Torchwood'', but I'll freely admit the tone isn't all too consistent. Doesn't mean we make a, say, TWCE or TWMD prefix. | ||
:: Looking at the history of both [[ | :: Looking at the history of both [[AUDIO]] and [[Help:Prefixes]], it looks like it started off as "every BF audio" and gradually expanded out. Any older admins want to confirm that? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 01:56, August 5, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::In fairness, the prefix [[ | :::In fairness, the prefix [[AUDIO]] was more "catch all" in the past, because there simply weren't other lines around. It was the monthly release ''only'' for a very long time. The diversification into different ranges is relatively recent and therefore past decisions don't quite hold as much weight. BFA ''used'' to work well, but I'd argue that it really makes no sense to new users to have BFA, when we really mean just the monthlies. The more specific our prefixes, the more understandable — and therefore ''useful'' — they'll be. | ||
:::So I think you're right: we ''do'' need to look at all of the sub-series to make sure they're prefixed as clearly as they can be. I wouldn't be opposed to [[BFEX]], for instance, for the ''Excelis'' series. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :::So I think you're right: we ''do'' need to look at all of the sub-series to make sure they're prefixed as clearly as they can be. I wouldn't be opposed to [[BFEX]], for instance, for the ''Excelis'' series. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:16: Sun 05 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
::: You're right. Apart from the special case of [[ | ::: You're right. Apart from the special case of [[PROSE]], it looks like a lot of these subseries were introduced in or after 2007, the year [[T:PREFIX]] was made. | ||
::: My only certainty is "give each of the subpages [http://bigfinish.com/hubs/v/doctor-who here] its own prefix", not what specifically to name them or which needs "BF" in front or not. Naturally, we already have [[ | ::: My only certainty is "give each of the subpages [http://bigfinish.com/hubs/v/doctor-who here] its own prefix", not what specifically to name them or which needs "BF" in front or not. Naturally, we already have [[AUDIO]], [[NOTVALID]] and [[PROSE]] and I'm sure that "BFM" is fine for the monthly series (especially as [[DWM]]'s taken). -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 20:46, August 5, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::: To hell with it. These are my suggestions for the sub-series. They can always be tweaked if they're rubbish. | ::: To hell with it. These are my suggestions for the sub-series. They can always be tweaked if they're rubbish. | ||
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::::BFDWM for ''Doctor Who Magazine'' I think would be the most logical. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 07:31, August 7, 2012 (UTC) | ::::BFDWM for ''Doctor Who Magazine'' I think would be the most logical. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 07:31, August 7, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::: You're probably right. Would the first season of BFEDA still need a [[ | ::::: You're probably right. Would the first season of BFEDA still need a [[AUDIO]] forward slash, as with the current [[AUDIO]], or is that too messy? | ||
::::: Also, would BFDWM take precedence for ''[[The Mists of Time (audio story)|The Mists of Time]]'' and ''[[The Revenants (audio story)|The Revenants]]'', or should those remain [[ | ::::: Also, would BFDWM take precedence for ''[[The Mists of Time (audio story)|The Mists of Time]]'' and ''[[The Revenants (audio story)|The Revenants]]'', or should those remain [[AUDIO]]? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 12:56, August 7, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::::What do we actually know of the BBC Radio collaborations with Big Finish? Was it just money that BBC7 chucked in or something else? They appear to have been recorded in the same place and have similar lengths of recording days as other stories. On Big Finish's site there's nothing to suggest that there's a BBC7 connection. | ::::::What do we actually know of the BBC Radio collaborations with Big Finish? Was it just money that BBC7 chucked in or something else? They appear to have been recorded in the same place and have similar lengths of recording days as other stories. On Big Finish's site there's nothing to suggest that there's a BBC7 connection. | ||
::::::Anyway, the continuing format and producer of those audio stories is Big Finish, BBC7 may have aired them first but BF published them and continue to publish them. | ::::::Anyway, the continuing format and producer of those audio stories is Big Finish, BBC7 may have aired them first but BF published them and continue to publish them. | ||
::::::I think the prefix [[ | ::::::I think the prefix [[AUDIO]] should be reclassified as things that were debuted ''and'' were produced by the BBC. For the first season of the BFEDA we can note that they debuted on BBC7 but they were produced by Big Finish and for clarity they're all just prefixed as BFEDA. | ||
::::::I don't believe reclassifying BBCR like this will cause any problems, we don't appear to have a cover page for the BBCR audio stories but the [[:Category:BBCR audio stories]] doesn't have any articles within it that would throw a spanner in this reasoning. | ::::::I don't believe reclassifying BBCR like this will cause any problems, we don't appear to have a cover page for the BBCR audio stories but the [[:Category:BBCR audio stories]] doesn't have any articles within it that would throw a spanner in this reasoning. | ||
::::::As for the CC stories you've listed. Should we take Big Finish's promotional stories as just that and they're not a DWM property but a Big Finish property? So we list them based on how Big Finish has released them. Any that haven't been released we put them under the catchall BFS. Or is this still making things too complicated? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:14, August 7, 2012 (UTC) | ::::::As for the CC stories you've listed. Should we take Big Finish's promotional stories as just that and they're not a DWM property but a Big Finish property? So we list them based on how Big Finish has released them. Any that haven't been released we put them under the catchall BFS. Or is this still making things too complicated? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:14, August 7, 2012 (UTC) |