Talk:Ninth Doctor/Archive 1

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Regeneration

"After the conclusion of the Time War, of which the Doctor was the sole survivor, the Eighth Doctor regenerated for an eighth time. His ninth incarnation travelled to Earth, where he rescued a young human woman, Rose Tyler, from several Autons and confronted the Nestene Consciousness that was controlling them."

I don't think this statement is particually accurate. We don't know for sure when the Doctor regenerated, it could have, in various likelihoods, been before, during, or after the time wars. Now the most commonly accepted theory is during, and that's noted in the beginning of the article, but this praragraph is still inacurate. I suggest changing it so that it simply states that by the time he met Rose Tyler, he had regenerated. It's simple, and as close at we can get for now. I'm happy for any 'born in battle' quote to be in the italic text before it. Or we could even have a small section lower on the page about it to refer to, which we could use for both 8th/9th Doctor pages. Taccer 07 18:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

you can always just go ahead and edit yourself. as you said, though, yes, these statements take a particular theory of the editor's and state them as fact. --Stardizzy2 18:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The doctor can't have regenerated immediately before meeting Rose. In DW:Rose, Rose meets a conspiracy nut (Clive) who tracks the Doctor, and he has a number of pictures of the Ninth Doctor in earlier times (1800s something, 1912 Titanic, Kennedy assassination), but Rose appears in none of the pictures/sketches. This implies that either the Doctor strategically and consistently shoved Rose out of the way of any cameras while not avoiding them himself, or that there was a pre-Rose period for the Ninth Doctor. -- Zach 71.171.100.250 15:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Inaccurate, inaccurate, I have gathered enough knowledge to know that McGann was supposed to have absorbed the Time Vortex to save Destrii and destroy The Cybermen but ultimately die due to the deconstruction of his cellular structure and the death of all his cells like The Parting of the Ways and have the Ninth fight the Time War and get away without a scratch. It did'nt come to fruition and due to lots of evidence, The Ninth Doctor's first words being "They're all gone I'm the only one left" returning to where all began, 76 Totters Lane in the tattered remains of his predecessor in a raggedy Doctor sort of fashion I reckon, that he used The Moment possibly The Hand of Omega, The Statue of Nemesis, The Key to Time, a De-Mat gun or something like that to destroy both sides, obliterating them in the blink of an eye in one mighty inferno. The TARDIS was supposed to protect him but the explosion or what-ever he caused tore through the doors and barbequed him causing him to regenerate as-well as the TARDIS thus killing the Gothic-esque console room introduced in the TV movie and giving birth to the coral desktop theme of Eccleston, Tennant and very briefly, Smith. So yeah it would also explain why the TARDIS was not as old and bulky as it was in the classic series and the TV Movie. So yeah I reckon The Eighth Doctor (Paul McGann) burned with The Time Lords and the Daleks at the end of the Time War. The Ninth Doctor had a hell of a lot of adventures before he met Rose, a hell of a lot, the flat scene was just a teaser, which was contradicted later which shows how stupid T. Davies is, NOT having McGann pop up say hey i was hurt in battle regenerate have the post-regenerative trauma get over it meet rose, etc. Stupid little nerd. I like Moffat much better. (FROM ANOYMOUS TIP)

"I'd agree with the above. The Eigth Doctor was involved in the Time War. The cause of his regeneration. That the Ninth Doctor had those other adventures that Clive tracked him done to. That the bit with the ears scenario is either

1) A throw away line, when you're at some new girl's place. Looking around, finding out what's what in the world of what. Spies a mirror and have a brief joke with yourself about the way you look. Just because previous Doctors did comment on their facial features after a regeneration, doesn't mean this incarnation had to.

2) A previous adventure had thrown him an amnesia curve ball. He's piecing together who he is and suddenly sees his face. When your running around the cosmos, you don't always stop and stare in the mirror, remember the Eleventh's reaction to Prisoner Zero's copy of him....

If none of those, then those adventures took place between the two occassions that he met Rose. Very akin to The Eighth Doctor and Sam Jones in the The Eight Doctors novel. - The Spaceman; 13:15 13th October 2010 (GMT)

Half-Human

The Ninth Doctor is half human?--GingerM 15:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to say no. It's obviously a carry over from the Eighth Doctor. But it's never stated on screen that specifically the 9th Doctor is half human. So unless anyone can cite a source stating that the 9th Doctor is half human... I don't think it's enough to say that just because the 8th (may have been) it doesn't mean the 9th is, after all with the Time War plus regeneration anything could have been removed. --Tangerineduel 17:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a problem which fans have argued about - if the Eighth Doctor was half-Human, were the rest? So until a solution is found, people will continue arguing. Personally, I believe that if one was half-Human then the rest should be too, and if the Eighth Doctor had only recently regenerated, how would he already know if he was half-Human if the rest weren't, but I'm not an expert on Gallifreyan regeneration, so... ~ Ghelæ -talk-contribs 17:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

a topic this general probably belongs on the forums, but I would just put down half-human for the Eighth and for the rest, no half-human. to me it looks odd and incongruous (for me, anyway) to see Tom Baker or Hartnell described as partly human.

Unnatural History, I think, claimed that the Doctor had a mermaid, for a mother, if you can believe that, but I guess it addressed the whole half-human thing. though I haven't actually read it. (a popular fan theory also says that when he turned human in Human Nature, some of the human DNA stayed with him, but the book came out before the TV movie. --***Stardizzy*** 17:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Although I suppose calling the Fourth and Tenth Doctors half-Human (and possibly some of the others, I've only seen the last two epidodes of Spearhead from Space and all the episodes of The Ark in Space of the original series) might explain their very high... well, like, I suppose, of Humanity. Plus, there's nothing wrong with the idea of a novel predicting an episode, as episodes have predicted real life events - An Unearthly Child predicted the decimalisation of British currency, and Pyramids of Mars predicted pyramids on Mars long before the Viking orbiter photographed Cydonia. However, this really has nothing to do with whether the Ninth Doctor was half-Human, and I agree that this discussion is probably best for the forum. ~ Ghelæ the Weird-talk-contribs 17:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The half-humanness would explain why he is so obsessed with Earth. :P

• Topic created here.--GingerM 18:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Alias

In the episodes The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances, Rose gives the Doctor a name, and that is "Spock", or "Mr Spock" in one scene. Is this an alias that should be mentioned in the article and in the right-box? Peter R 20:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC) (who has just seen these episodes on swedish television, that is now sending "season 27")

It could be, but it seems more jokey (then again, similar aliases are on Mickey Smith's page). If you think it should be added, then you may add it. ~ Ghelæ -talk-contribs 14:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Regeneration & Continuity

I still wonder how the Ninth Doctor could have been surprised about his appearance in TV: Rose, although he obviously was at last 3 times on Earth before that in the same body. I don't think that he went on these trips during the few seconds between his first and second invitation of Rose to be his companion, because he just doesn't appeaer as if he had some adventures in the meantime. He could have went to the Titanic etc. after he vanished with the Tardis for the first time during "Rose", right after he blew up the shop where the Autons attacked Rose. It might not be likely, because he obviously still had unfinished business because of them on Earth and in this time, but the Tardis might just have stopped at a few wrong times and places till he found the right time and spot again. I dare say the photos were not taken during the time he travelled with Rose, and not just because it would be great coinsidence that she wasn't shown on any of them. The photos just wouldn't already be there like, because it would happen later in the Doctors own timeline. So, what about the simple possibility that he just hadn't looked into a mirror since he regenerated into his ninth form? Ok, there is a big mirror in the Tardis' wardrobe, but perhaps the Doctor didn't care much about it - or it was broken at that time. He might have been dragged from one adventure to the next, and might even just have picked up the Ninth-clothes just before he met Rose for the first time - after all he was clothed according to the respecting time when those pictures were taken, was he not?

A possibility that has since been edited out and now is being returned is that Clive's pictures of the 9th Doctor during the scene from Rose's POV where the Doctor describes what the TARDIS is capable of. He tells Rose that the TARDIS travels in Space, enters and dematerializes. Momemts later (again, from Rose's POV) he rematerializes and steps out and finishes his sentence to her..."and Time". (Off camera, Rose could have even mentioned the events she had been shown that the 9th Doctor knew he hadn't experienced yet, so he saw to those events did take place.)

The photos could be present in Clive's collection, despite occuring in the Doctor's future, there's no problem with that (and even if he did see the pictures it would only be a minor pre-destination paradox).

The problem (well one of them) is that while the Doctor is some what surprised, there isn't any further evidence to suggest the proposals you've suggested, so while they are theoretically possible, they're not esablishable with continuity references.

Equally the pictures could have been taken during his time with Rose, just because she is not in the pictures does not suggest that she is not present, like wise the aformentioned adventures could have taken place while Rose was with the Doctor, but not on those particular adventures (the Doctor could have dropped her somewhere, then gone off and had a bunch of adventures and then returned, months from his POV and only minutes later from Rose's POV), indeed this has happened before with Samantha Jones (PROSE: Vampire Science), so it isn't outside the realms of possibility.

But unless it is actually stated in a Book, TV or comic strip story its only supposition and therefore can't be entered into the page. --Tangerineduel 13:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

unless it is actually stated in a Book, TV or comic strip story its [sic] only supposition and therefore can't be entered into the page. exactly. though no harm in mentioning that onscreen evidence implies something and noting how it does. --Stardizzy2 20:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Someone added speculation about regeneration , and its a link to a story called Museum Peace could someone verfiy that, it was an IP edit as well Bigshowbower 10:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The Ninth Doctor's Regeneration

"The Doctor knew that that rose would burn up if she kepped that so he then re-absorbed the energies into himself. Fine after but soon as when they went back to the TARDIS and left Jack, while they were in TARDIS The Doctor wasn't making any sence which was commented by Rose he could see on his hand that the regenration prosess was starting and he told Rose that hes changing soon after he got a pain from his stomach cause of the energy he absorbed then with his last words you were fantastic, and you know what so was i and then he regerates to the Tenth Doctor. (DW: The Parting of the Ways)."

This pains me. Unfortunately, even though I have an account and am logged in, I am still not allowed to edit the page. I'm not sure why that is, since the page bears the "semi-protected" banner, but since it's the case, I beg anyone with the ability to edit the page to fix this. Here's one way it could be improved:

"Aware that it would be the only way to save Rose, the Doctor absorbed the energies of the Time Vortex into himself, freeing her. Although he initially seemed unharmed, he confessed to Rose shortly thereafter that he was dying and would be forced to regenerate into a new form. His last words prior to his regeneration into the Tenth Doctor were, "Rose, before I go I just wanna tell you — you were fantastic...absolutely fantastic...and d'you know what? So was I!"

It's not perfect, but at least it's spelled correctly. DagnyAdan 03:24, January 14, 2010 (UTC)DagnyAdan

Companions

Under new companions this article states "Those who have assisted him in his travels but not travelled with him in the TARDIS include Rose's on-and-off boyfriend Mickey Smith (DW: Rose onward)" but Mickey does travel with the Doctor in the TARDIS in The Girl in the Fireplace and Rise of the Cybermen

He travelled with the tenth Doctor. This is the Ninth Doctor's page.Icecreamdif 01:49, August 5, 2010 (UTC)