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 The {{tlx|speedy rename}} request asks that we de-capitalise (minisculise..lower-casify...there must be a word for this...) "Man", so that it should become '''Clockwork man (The Girl in the Fireplace)'''. Given the reasoning, it absolutely should be disambiguated, but is there a case for retaining the capitalisation? Also, if we were to rename this exactly as requested, [[Clockwork Woman]] would have to lose her capital Woman, as well.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:08, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
-: Personally I think that all of [[Clockwork Man]], [[Clockwork Woman]] and [[Clockwork Droid]] should either be lowercased [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lowercase] or the capital letter should be defended.[[T:HEAD SC]] prescribes to capitalise only proper nouns. And it's hard to claim that "man", "woman" or "droid" is a proper noun unless capitalised in-universe. For instance, "Mechanical" is always capitalised in the [[The Clockwise Man (novel)|novel]], making it a proper noun (and it is an unusual noun anyways).
+: Personally I think that all of [[Clockwork Man (The Girl in the Fireplace)|Clockwork Man]], [[Clockwork Woman]] and [[Clockwork Droid]] should either be lowercased [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lowercase] or the capital letter should be defended.[[T:HEAD SC]] prescribes to capitalise only proper nouns. And it's hard to claim that "man", "woman" or "droid" is a proper noun unless capitalised in-universe. For instance, "Mechanical" is always capitalised in the [[The Clockwise Man (novel)|novel]], making it a proper noun (and it is an unusual noun anyways).
 ::(Ha, thanks for the correct terminology!){{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:11, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
 :While the "droid" case deserves some research, perhaps, I cannot imagine any in-universe insistence on Man and Woman being proper names. You wouldn't, after all, expect to see a crew list of [[SS Madame de Pompadour|SS ''Madame de Pompadour'']] with "Clockwork Man" stated in big bold letters. The capitalisation clearly comes from the [[The_Girl_in_the_Fireplace_(TV_story)#Cast|credits at the end of the episode]], and it is a standard practice I've been pointed to several times by several admins to lowercase descriptive cast designations. Similarly, ''[[Time Works (audio story)|Time Works]]'', being an audio story, never mentions which letters should be capitalised. Clockwork men are not mentioned in the publisher's description (I checked). Hence, there is no reason to capitalise them either.
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 :::: Sorry for breaking up your post. I agree here. "Seven" has no real precedent (other than Mark Seven, below). As far as we know, there is no proof for capitalising it. I don't have my DVDs on hand to check how BBC Worldwide's (or whoever was responsible) subtitle team decided to capitalise it. It does seem that [[Repair droid 7]] is a better name for the "Clockwork Woman", but we're still left with "Clockwork Man".{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:31, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
+::: The only android with spelled out number I could find was [[Mark Seven]] and there seems to be some problem with his naming/designation anyways. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:21, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
+=== Control node ===
 ::: As for the man, isn't he the [[Control node]] of this particular crew? [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:17, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
 :::: ''The Girl in the Fireplace'' does not use the term "control node", at the very least. He does seem to be the leader, and according to ''Deep Breath'' the leader of the repair droids is called a control node. If that's good enough reasoning, [[Control node (The Girl in the Fireplace)]] ''might'' be a valid new name, but it feels like a reach to depend on a later story.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:31, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
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 ::::: UPD. Tough luck. The other droids definitely move after the Clockwork Man is paralysed and it is the lever that turns them off. The description in the plot is correct. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:13, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
-::: The only android with spelled out number I could find was [[Mark Seven]] and there seems to be some problem with his naming/designation anyways. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:21, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
+:::::: Does this mean it doesn't necessarily follow that he's the control node? Or is he still the control node simply because it's clear enough he's the leader? After all, it wasn't established for another eight years that the other droids should deactivate without him. And indeed, even ''Deep Breath'' establish that they deactivate on the ''death'' of the control node, not his immobilisation. I was just about willing to move this there once I got access to my computer again, which I have now.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 02:29, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
+::::::: I still believe he is the control node. But, as you say, it is an extrapolation of the information from ''Deep Breath'' based purely on his leadership role. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:55, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
+== Conclusion ==
+The pages have been renamed, and all clean-up necessary completed. Thanks to all who contributed. Thanks, Amorkuz. Thanks, me. You're welcome, me.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 08:21, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
+: And, when I create the page for clockwork men from ''Time Works'' (which I will do soon), I will add a "you may" to this page. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, December 13, 2016 (UTC)