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-Should this standard be actively enforced like the removal of quotes one?  [[User:DoctorForHire|DoctorForHire]] 10:29, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
+Should this standard be actively enforced like the removal of quotes one? [[User:DoctorForHire|DoctorForHire]] 10:29, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:Yes. It would though, be preferable to have a replacement shot lined up to replace the publicity shot rather than just removing the image. There may be unused images lurking in the [[Special:Unused files]] section. Also some caution should be taken (with the classic series images more so) when looking to remove the images, they may even be tagged as promo-shots but sometimes they're screenshots that the BBC has used to make wallpaper. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 07:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
+:Yes. It would though, be preferable to have a replacement shot lined up to replace the publicity shot rather than just removing the image. There may be unused images lurking in the [[Special:UnusedFiles]] section. Also some caution should be taken (with the classic series images more so) when looking to remove the images, they may even be tagged as promo-shots but sometimes they're screenshots that the BBC has used to make wallpaper. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 07:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
+::Then can we add this standard to the manual of style? It will help prevent further addition of promotional images. [[User:DoctorForHire|DoctorForHire]] 08:02, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
+:::I already added it before I added my prior post. See [[Tardis:Manual of Style#Image use]]. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 12:25, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
+::::One thing I want to make sure does not go in is CzechOut suggestion that if you can't get a left facing picture, flip it. This should not happen to ''any'' pictures. No person will have features on one side of their face exactly the same as the other, so the image cannot be flipped. That's like flipping a picture of someone with a mole on one side of their face, it would appear on the other side, so would be wrong. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 18:14, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
+==Apparent inconsistency in current policy==
+Even after these changes, which I applaud, I'm still having a problem with the wording at [[Tardis:Manual of Style#Image use]]. It says:
+:For in-universe articles images of an in-universe style can be used such as; screenshots, comic strip scans or suitably cropped images from novel or audio covers.
+:Promotional images ''should not'' be used for in-universe articles as promotional images (included wallpapers) are often 'posed'.
+These two paragraphs are at odds with each other, in my mind. By definition a novel or audio cover '''is''' promotional. When you look at most BFA covers, in particular, you can see they've been cut together, heavily processed, and don't, frankly, represent a scene from the episode, necessarily. I mean, how else are you gonna get a picture of the Fifth Doctor nowadays but reaching back into the archives and doing some jiggery-pokery? Taking the image of the Sixth Doctor from, say, ''[[The Apocalypse Element]]'' cover is like saying the ''definitive'' image of Anakin Skywaker can be found on the movie poster of ''Attack of the Clones''.
+No, this is a gaping loophole in policy that needs to be closed. If not, then what we're saying is that imagies of [[Sheridan Smith]] can be used to illustrate [[Lucie Miller]] —and there's absolutely no cause to believe that. Non-visual media such as books and audio are called ''non-visual'' for a reason. There are simply some characters whose images are meant to be left to our imagination. I know that there are many cases where I've been reading a book, read a description of a character, then looked at the cover to wonder what particular brand of crack the illustrator was smoking. I don't have any DW references quick to mind at the moment, but I'm sure there are instances where the illustration on a cover doesn't match what the reader believes the person should look like. Well, I guess I do have one. I know I formed an image of Lucie that was completely different to that of Sheridan Smith, because I listened to that first series "live" on Radio 7 and didn't have any sort of covers to "guide" me. C'rizz is another one that can't be properly captured in a picture because of course his skin changes colour constantly.
+Anyway, the point is that covers are OOU, promotional pictures. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:18, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
+:I've actually re-worded it somewhat since you grabbed it (it's still essentially the same, just slightly more specific about what a promo image is).
+:I'll have to say I can't recall books or audios being called "non-visual".
+:While the cover art may, on occasion be interpreted as odd, it does allow an image of a something in prose or audio form.
+:The covers are ''an'' image that ''can'' be used, we're not saying they're ''definitive'', just that they are an image of the whatever it is they're an image of. If there's a better image out there, use it.
+:But I think it's preferable to have an image of a [[Venusian]] from the cover of ''[[Venusian Lullaby (novel)|Venusian Lullaby]]'', or an image of [[Chris Cwej]] from (currently it's from ''[[The Room With No Doors]]'' but images could also come from ''[[Original Sin (novel)|Original Sin]]'' or ''[[Sleepy]]'') The cover of ''[[Mad Dogs and Englishmen]]'' gives us the only image of the [[Poodle (race)]]. [[Clarence]] with his wings, [[26th century]] [[Mars]] [Laputa]], the [[Charrl]], all from novel covers. Then there are things like [[Vortisaur]] or [[Morbius]] (with a face and body) come from the Big Finish covers.
+:I think it's much better to have these images from covers than a 'no image available' caption on the articles, these images give us ''something'' and I think make the pages better and more interesting within them on it. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 05:53, May 19, 2010 (UTC)