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 :::::Not sure where to reply. Bottom seems good. On the whole fears thing: he absolutely knew Rassilon in the Time War, what he had become, what he was planning in the final days. That much is made clear in ''The End of Time''. And he's still pretty pissed off about it in ''Hell Bent''. Why should it surprise us that his greatest nightmares involve his lost people, and the Lord President who'd gone wrong and wanted to destroy all physical reality? He's still pretty scarred by the War, remember. And Dalton Rassilon ''is'' Rassilon from the last days of the Time War.
-:::::I suppose from their standpoint, Donna ''was'' the last companion. I mean, maybe they just don't care about ''Doctor Who Adventures'' or ''Doctor Who Magazine''. Maybe the writers are not sufficiently informed about past IDW companions and storylines, and just chose to throw those out the window when considering the stories that they're doing. Regardless, ignoring companions between the last TV companion and now with Gabby is simply a continuity error to be ignored. Students who died in the ''Class'' novels don't get added to the [[Coal Hill School Roll of Honours Board]], and the prose and audio continuities of the Eighth Doctor's life are practically irreconcilable. Skaro has been destroyed, to appear again, too many times to keep track of. Intentional placemarks (landmarks is the real word, right) will be found with regards to the narrative of the TV series. So based on all this evidence: does it still make sense for this all to take place prior to ''The End of Time''. Admittedly, that Sarah Jane reference makes it sound like it just might be the farewell tour.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:10, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
+:::::I suppose from their standpoint, Donna ''was'' the last companion. I mean, maybe they just don't care about ''Doctor Who Adventures'' or ''Doctor Who Magazine''. Maybe the writers are not sufficiently informed about past IDW companions and storylines, and just chose to throw those out the window when considering the stories that they're doing. Regardless, ignoring companions between the last TV companion and now with Gabby is simply a continuity error to be ignored. Students who died in the ''Class'' novels don't get added to the [[Coal Hill School Roll of Honours Board]], and the prose and audio continuities of the Eighth Doctor's life are practically irreconcilable. Skaro has been destroyed, to appear again, too many times to keep track of. Intentional placemarks (landmarks is the real word, right) will be found with regards to the narrative of the TV series. So based on all this evidence: does it still make sense for this all to take place prior to ''The End of Time''? Admittedly, that Sarah Jane reference makes it sound like it just might be the farewell tour.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:10, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
+::::::Aside from the fact that he really isn't dying of radiation over the course of three years of comics, doesn't ''[[Four Doctors (comic story)|Four Doctors]]'' place the Wilfred Mott "knock four times" moment in the Doctor's future? [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]   [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 05:19, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
+:::::Also, the Ten Titan team totally care about DWM! They've mentioned Stockbridge and brought back [[Time Sentinel|Shayde]]. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]   [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 05:23, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
+::::::Oh, nice! I really do need to read them all. Yes, ''[[Four Doctors (comic story)|Four Doctors]]'' seems to irrefutably take place before ''The End of Time'' for Ten. The most weight of evidence seems to support his time with Gabby taking place sometime before TEOT. Rassilon, I can understand, not even just as foreshadowing but because of the Doctor's time in the Last Great Time War, and I guess the Master returning is another one of his fears? Despite not wanting him to die in the first place?{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:42, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
+::::::: I can agree to this reading (also always happy to see writers caring about continuity more than me). The only questionable element remaining would then be the particular clothes worn by the Master, which ''seems'' to be taken from TEOT. But surely we cannot exclude the Master wearing such an outfit before. This can be safely ignored. And, of course, this face of the Master the Doctor has seen in ''[[Last of the Time Lords (TV story)|Last of the Time Lords]]''. So, if we agree that travels with Gabby predate TEOT, here is a possible rewording to the continuity section: the Master gets redirected to the last two episodes of Season 4. Rassilon gets a designation "whom the Doctor remembers from the Time War" and an addition: "The Doctor will later encounter this incarnation of Rassilon again in TEOT." Shall I make the change?[[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:26, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
+:::::::: Just remembered: they actually referenced a DWM story ''[[The Way of All Flesh (comic story)|The Way of All Flesh]]'' in the first issue of this very story. So care they do. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:03, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
+: Just to give credit where credit is due. Now that I've finished processing the story, I have to agree with placing the story right after ''Planet of the Dead''. In fact, this does not really require any out-of-the-universe sources. The Doctor's reaction to Gabby saying "No song should end too soon" is speaking for itself. It is him remembering almost the same phrase from [[Carmen (Planet of the Dead)|Carmen's]] prophecy, delivered in ''[[Planet of the Dead (TV story)|Planet of the Dead]]''. That this alone gained Gabby a trip is a testament to how fresh and troubling it was for him, making it very likely that this happens immediately after. On the other hand, it would be hard to understand his reaction if he were on the last tour. If he were dying from radiation poisoning, already knowing how his song is ending and more or less when, there would be very little reason to pay any attention to this turn of phrase. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:29, March 12, 2017 (UTC)