Talk:Mutter's Spiral

Assuming versus knowing

the article has a number of (IMHO) very arguable statements. it seems like the assumption goes that unless we know otherwise that a planet resides within this galaxy, which we can't assume. in the case of the Mandragora Helix it exists and it hitched a ride in the TARDIS. we can't say where it came from at all. and why does the Jagaroth have to come from our galaxy, for that matter? just two examples.

we can't tell where Leela came from either. just that she comes from human ancestors.

the Doctor Who Universe has unscientifically easy faster than light travel. by 4000 humans have had contacted with multiple species from outside the galaxy. by 5000 Earth ships have already gotten two galaxies away. and Who history goes from now until the next five billion plus years at least.

any given "Earth colony" story may have happened a million years after. so I think unless we have known Whoniverse (like, a hundred light years from Draconian space) or real world (like a star system we know about in the real universe) and unless dialogue says otherwise, we should not make any judgement calls. feeling strongly we shouldn't unintentionally end up create fanon. --***Stardizzy*** 21:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose we should remove all the ones which we aren't sure about. Obviously, there are some which we're sure are in the Mutter's Spiral, but the rest sure just be removed to be safe. Azes13 21:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Should there be a list or category of locations confirmed as outside Mutter's Spiral? --68.38.156.187 21:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Probably a very stupid question...

Which is the first story where the name Mutter's Spiral was first used? Also which story first established that it was the specific name for our galaxy rather than just some area of space that happens to include the Earth? --79.74.41.88 14:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm the one who asked that question, although I wasn't logged in at the time. Nobody's answered, even though it's been a month. If nobody knows, then it's probably never been established in a story that Mutter's Spiral is actually our galaxy and not just some other area of space that includes the Earth. So I'm going to be bold and stick a {{fact}} tag on it. -- solar penguin/(talk)/(contribs) 07:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's probably The Deadly Assassin, but failing that it is specifally mentioned in Alien Bodies and Human Nature (novel), so I've added those two in place of the source needed. --Tangerineduel 12:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The Deadly Assassin was indeed the first time the term Mutter's Spiral was used. The implication is that it does refer to Earth's galaxy, but in fairness all that is actually said is that Earth is located in Mutter's Spiral. Technically, it could be some other temporal/spatial designation other than a galaxy per se. Spreee 15:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)Spreee