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The novels published by Virgin in the 90s revealed a great deal of background information about the Doctor and Gallifreyan history and culture, specifically the books Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible, Cold Fusion, and Lungbarrow. They showed how, in Gallifrey's distant past, the inhabitants were cursed with sterility, so Rassilon created the Looms to make new Gallifreyans. The Other, an associate of Rassilon in this era, had a family with a woman named Patience. When the Other got on Rassilon's bad side, the Other's family was massacred, with the acception of Patience, who fled in a prototype time machine, and the Other's granddaughter, who was rescued by a man resembling the First Doctor. The Other threw himself into the Looms, eventually being reborn as the First Doctor, who emerged from the Loom as a full-grown adult, like all Gallifreyans. Families on Gallifrey have no parents or children, only Cousins.

But now we have the New TV Series, and all this is suddenly in doubt. The Doctor has mentioned having been a father and being married, and a flashback in Listen shows him as a child. The Master has also been shown to have started out as a child, and mentioned his father. There's also the Doctor's cot in A Good Man Goes to War. How can all of this be, when the Virgin books paint a totally different picture? And we also know the Doctor didn't find Susan in Gallifrey's past, as Name of the Doctor clearly shows them both leaving the Gallifrey of the First Doctor's time together. So, what do we do? 82.4.125.59^{talk to me} 14:45, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Obviously then the TV series holds more precedence and importance than the novels. Everything mentioned in the show is true, everything in the novels then has to be false or occur in an alternate time line. So time lords start as babies, then children, then become adults and go through their regeneration's until they die. --Coop3 ☎ 16:43, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Obviously the New Adventures hold more precedence and importance than the TV series. Everything mentioned in the New Adventures is true, everything in the TV series has to be false or occur in an alternate time line. So Time Lords are loomed as adults, then regenerate into adults again and go through their regenerations until they die. Fwhiffahder ☎ 02:45, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

My theory is that the Other somehow received regenerations (either when Omega vanished, or received the potential and was reincarnated for an unknown reason) and used them to bring Rassilon's unborn daughter to life; she was somehow spared the curse of sterility, and somehow had descendants. After this, the Other threw himself into the looms (possibly for the second time). His granddaughter was found by the First Doctor during one of his first trips with Susan, and she cast herself into the looms.

Koschei's mother was a descendant of Rassilon, and Ulysses underwent an experimental, possibly illegal, procedure that restored his fertility and he had children with Penelope. His children were sneaked into the loom, hence the Doctor being accused of loom jumping. The Doctor was a reincarnation of the Other, somehow awakened by his father's restored fertility; Arkytior was his granddaughter and a reincarnation of the Other's granddaughter.

At some point, the looms' genetic material was altered to produce fertile chronarchs, hence the children during 'The Day of the Doctor'. The large numbers could be attributed to the amount of time since the alteration.

I admit there are a lot of 'somehows', but 'somehow' time manages to sort itself after every catastrophe. --FredBloggs5100 aka your master ☎ 05:03, February 1, 2016 (UTC)