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 :::Tbh I was irritated at how hard S6 was to follow.  I'm less irrotated now, though I am still trying to keep certain things straight, like, how the universe can still exist (it was always the Teselecta), why he married River (turn her madness into a ruse? into devotion? to setup the name-whispering moment?), why River's story had to be closed off (maybe not, missing regens and all those dates)... But some eps still seem like either "throw things at wall / hype all things equally / follow up whatever sticks" -- i.e. Rebel Flesh/Almost People, Night Terrors, God Complex, and just tons of lines seeded into eps mentioning literal silence, seeing silence, and the original buzzphrase, "Silence will fall."  Aaaanyway I'm excited for next month.  The show's still far better now, than seasons 1-4 were.  Just certain "normal TV-isms of writing" seem to be getting overused.  And I just question how it'll all stand up to fridge logic, when it's all over. [[User:Agonaga|Agonaga]] <sup>[[User talk:Agonaga|talk to me]]</sup> 23:19, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
+::::I liked the first four seasons better, but Moffat's seasons are still good. Season 6 wasn't really too difficult to follow, although it definetly could have been better.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] [[User talk:Icecreamdif|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:56, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Yeah, it could. Too many throw away episodes, too big a hurry to bust out an arc to the point where it seems the show is entirely about the arc.  I like arcs and two-parters but if ditching them can lead to more subtlety, I feel like all-in-all the show's had a good track through the whole run.  [[User:Agonaga|Agonaga]] [[User talk:Agonaga|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
+:::::To me, a major flaw with Series 6 as a whole was that it combined being arc-heavy with having a hasty (& unsatisfying) resolution of the arc. ''The Wedding of River Song'' suffered, I think, from being a one-parter. There was spectacle -- but only briefly. There were surprise explanations -- but they were rushed. It just wasn't a good '''enough''' finalé to do the job the series had set it up to do. The series also failed to answer some questions left from Series 5. It's fair enough to leave a few questions from Series 6 to be answered in Series 7; leaving questions from Series 5 to be answered in Series 7 is going too far.
+:::::Some of the episodes were mishandled, too. The destruction of Ganger-Amy at the end of ''The Almost People'' is an example. Ganger-Amy wasn't an independent individual but the story had spent a huge amount of time establishing that other gangers were. It needed to be very, very clear that Ganger-Amy was different, so the Doctor wasn't committing murder, and it was not clear at all. The story logic was actually there but the emotional presentation failed badly. --[[Special:Contributions/89.242.76.231|89.242.76.231]]<sup>[[User talk:89.242.76.231#top|talk to me]]</sup> 09:02, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
+::::::I think the main problem with the Gangers two parter was that there just wasn't enough story for that to be in two parts. I think they made it clear that the Doctor had no choice but to disconnect the Ganger from Amy, but that whole story just wasn't interesting enough to be a two parter. They should have made that a single episode and then made ''The Wedding of River Song'' a two parter.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] [[User talk:Icecreamdif|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:37, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
+::::::That would have been substantially better, I agree. Sadly, we can't go back to warn Moffat about the mistake before he makes it (unless someone happens to have a TARDIS somewhere, or even a vortex manipulator). --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.17.69|2.96.17.69]]<sup>[[User talk:2.96.17.69#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:05, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::Sorry, but if I had a TARDIS I would be too busy using it to TiVo all of the missing episodes.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] [[User talk:Icecreamdif|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:28, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::That thought had occurred to me, too. The plan was to go back, make copies using contemporary (1960s & 70s) technology, stash the copies somewhere safe, set up a cover story (previously unknown private collector), then return to about now & "discover" the stash (or arrange for someone else to discover it) in time for the find to be announced in mid-November 2013, just before the 50th anniversary. That wouldn't help with Series 6, mind you, but it'd be good, just the same. --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.177.55|78.146.177.55]]<sup>[[User talk:78.146.177.55#top|talk to me]]</sup> 09:43, July 22, 2012 (UTC)