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 ::: The snow image will never be a suitable image for the episode, as it is clearly just set up for the following story. It even appears that the end was shot later.
-[[File:The_Doctor_Falls.jpg|thumb]]
+[[File:The_Doctor_Fallen.jpg|thumb]]
 ::: The image of the 12th Doctor talking to the Masters is currently out best bet, because that scene is where the title of the episode comes from in the first place. Moreover, it's easily the most memorable moment. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 23:08, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
 ::::That is subjective, people remembers bits more prominently than others. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:17, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
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 The Cybermen attack the Doctor (The Doctor Falls).jpg|Choice #3
 Twelve_and_Masters_The_Doctor_Falls.jpg|Choice #4
-The_Doctor_Falls.jpg|Choice #5
+The_Doctor_Fallen.jpg|Choice #5
 CyberBill carries Doctor (TDF).jpg|Choice #6
+The_Fallen_Doctor.jpg|Choice #7
+The_Doctor_Falls_Eye.jpg|Choice #8
 </gallery>
 ::Choice #1 because it shows the "fall" of the Doctor (a theme which began with the opening scene of ''[[World Enough and Time (TV story)|World Enough and Time]]'' and was shown a bit earlier in the episode as well (on the forest, right before the Doctor and Bill meet Missy and the Master)
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 ::: I've moved the image above with the other options. I admit the white smoke background is a bit excessive but it helps us focus in on the prominent gesture in the image (Cyber-Bill and the Doctor) and it displays 3/5 the five big features of the episode (see my comments above for what those are). So far though, I still feel #1 is the best image, though #6 has taken the second spot from #5 for me. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:03, July 2, 2017 (UTC)
 ::::I like #6, but I think it would need to be cropped before going to the infobox. Right now, it doesn't focus on the Doctor and Cyber-Bill as much as it could. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:07, July 2, 2017 (UTC)
+::::: Alright, so I cropped #6 a bit, but you won't be able to see the new version for a bit apparently. Uploads sometimes take a day or so to load right. I've also added two images from the "death" scene, but I'm not against image 6. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 23:10, July 2, 2017 (UTC)
+:Yeah, that's more like it. #7 is a bit too closeup and is more suited to the Doctor's character page. #8 is just an eye, are busboy too generic and lacks features beyond the battle. Given how the cropping has improved the focus, I am all for #6 bring the infobox image. #1 still works as a good second for me though, as per given reasons. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:33, July 2, 2017 (UTC)
+From a "[[Tardis:Guide to images]]" point of view, #2, 3, and 5 are too indistinct and/or dark to make out. #4 and 7 would be ok if they were a bit brighter but as they are, they are too dark to make out. # 1 and 6 are ok but the characters are a bit too small to make out for someone who doesn't know the story, and #8 tells me absolutely nothing about the episode. There are several examples at [[Tardis:Guide to images#Images must work as thumbnails]] that should help define what we look for in a story infobox image. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:10, July 3, 2017 (UTC)
+<gallery>
+The Twelfth Doctor starts to regenerate.jpg|Choice #1
+CyberBill carries Doctor (TDF).jpg|Choice #2
+</gallery>
+:Alrighty, with that in mind, I've narrowed down our candidates to these two. Though, ideally, we still could get a better image. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:39, July 3, 2017 (UTC)
+:: Again, Image #1 will never be an acceptable choice for the infobox of this page. If people want to do more searching, that's admirable, but for now the above choice #2 is our best bet. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 01:50, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
+:: Agreed, #1 was a good stand in while we found an appropriate image but it's clear #2 is the superior one. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:13, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
+== Production Errors ==
+Would it make sense to edit the Production Errors section to add that Rory and Strax (and maybe Mickey too) were omitted from the companion montage towards the end of this episode? [[User:Scoobydooman90001|Scoobydooman90001]] [[User talk:Scoobydooman90001|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:24, September 10, 2017 (UTC)
+:That's not a production error. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:34, September 10, 2017 (UTC)
+::To expand on this a bit, anything '''chosen''' by the production crew is '''not''' a production error. You can find more information at [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Production errors]], [[Thread:137474]], and [[Forum:Discontinuity revisited#Production errors vs Discontinuity]]. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:30, September 10, 2017 (UTC)
+== Enemy conflict ==
+Okay, given recent edits, lets decide it here. Is the Master worth being called the enemy in this episode? I feel no, the Cybermen quickly overshadow him; he is simply indifferent in the scenario, he just chooses not to help. Yes, he kills Missy (himself?) but that's practically completely separate to the main story at play. Bar the opening, he is far from the enemy, he even helps kill a Cyberman and just simply wants to leave. So I feel the Cybermen are this episode's antagonists, not the Master. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:52, December 31, 2017 (UTC)
+:I agree with that analysis entirely. He was the enemy in the [[World Enough and Time (TV story)|previous episode]], he's just not relevant enough to the overall plot to be called a "main enemy" here. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:57, December 31, 2017 (UTC)