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Did he really die too quickly to regenerate? Or did he simply refuse to regenerate? | Did he really die too quickly to regenerate? Or did he simply refuse to regenerate? | ||
As we all know, "Turn Left" focused on an alternate history where the | As we all know, "Turn Left" focused on an alternate history where the Doctor died under the Thames during the events of "The Runaway Bride". So, I was watching the episode again and when the Doctor's body is put into the ambulance, the UNIT soldier suggests that the Doctor did not regenerate because his death "happened too fast" but there has been another theory: that the Doctor chose not to regenerate. | ||
According to this theory, [[http://doctorwho.livejournal.com/3275701.html the Doctor let himself drown because of his depression over losing Rose]]. This idea has been portrayed in several fanfics on "Turn Left" such as these: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4543093/1/Drowning-Pains and http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9159383/1/Self-Destruction and this: http://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=22980 | According to this theory, [[http://doctorwho.livejournal.com/3275701.html the Doctor let himself drown because of his depression over losing Rose]]. This idea has been portrayed in several fanfics on "Turn Left" such as these: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4543093/1/Drowning-Pains and http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9159383/1/Self-Destruction and this: http://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=22980 | ||
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I don't think the Doctor wanted to die. I just think he didn't ''not'' want to die, if you know what I mean. I don't think his sadness was caused solely by the loss of Rose, but also a lot by what her loss represented to him. The loss of a companion alone wouldn't be something he would actively kill himself over, as can be seen by the fact he's still alive following the deaths of both Adric and (the supposed death of) Peri, along with others who don't immediately spring to mind. Before meeting Rose, the Doctor was in a state of grief, guilt and self-loathing following the end of the time war, and it was Rose who helped him move on from that. Losing Rose could have easily thrown him back into the stream of those emotions, as if losing his grip on the rock anchoring him in the turbulent river of his guilt and grief. Also, Rose was the first companion the Doctor allowed himself to romantically love, probably the first person since his wife back on Gallifrey; Susan's grandmother. I can't help but think that because of the lack of any other family member of the Doctor being shown apart from Susan that something terrible must have happened to the rest of the Doctor's family (maybe one of the factors leading to him running away?). Is it not plausible that Rose's loss would dredge back up the memories of losing his wife and the rest of his family? The combined grief from losing Rose, the memories of what he had (supposedly) done in the time war, and the memories of what had happened to his family might have just been too much when added together. And while I don't think the Doctor actively tried to kill himself, I don't think he would have put much effort into escaping his demise either because of this combined grief and guilt over his continued existence after the death of so many, accepting the inevitable and choosing not to regenerate when the time came because drowning once would surely be a lot less painful than drowning, regenerating, drowning in the new body, regenerating again, and drowning one final time before his regeneration cycle was complete, which, when you think about it, is what would have happened if the Doctor got trapped underwater. {{user:Imamadmad/sig}} 10:36, February 23, 2014 (UTC) | I don't think the Doctor wanted to die. I just think he didn't ''not'' want to die, if you know what I mean. I don't think his sadness was caused solely by the loss of Rose, but also a lot by what her loss represented to him. The loss of a companion alone wouldn't be something he would actively kill himself over, as can be seen by the fact he's still alive following the deaths of both Adric and (the supposed death of) Peri, along with others who don't immediately spring to mind. Before meeting Rose, the Doctor was in a state of grief, guilt and self-loathing following the end of the time war, and it was Rose who helped him move on from that. Losing Rose could have easily thrown him back into the stream of those emotions, as if losing his grip on the rock anchoring him in the turbulent river of his guilt and grief. Also, Rose was the first companion the Doctor allowed himself to romantically love, probably the first person since his wife back on Gallifrey; Susan's grandmother. I can't help but think that because of the lack of any other family member of the Doctor being shown apart from Susan that something terrible must have happened to the rest of the Doctor's family (maybe one of the factors leading to him running away?). Is it not plausible that Rose's loss would dredge back up the memories of losing his wife and the rest of his family? The combined grief from losing Rose, the memories of what he had (supposedly) done in the time war, and the memories of what had happened to his family might have just been too much when added together. And while I don't think the Doctor actively tried to kill himself, I don't think he would have put much effort into escaping his demise either because of this combined grief and guilt over his continued existence after the death of so many, accepting the inevitable and choosing not to regenerate when the time came because drowning once would surely be a lot less painful than drowning, regenerating, drowning in the new body, regenerating again, and drowning one final time before his regeneration cycle was complete, which, when you think about it, is what would have happened if the Doctor got trapped underwater. {{user:Imamadmad/sig}} 10:36, February 23, 2014 (UTC) | ||
I really like this theory. It's something I've never thought about before but it makes perfect sense. [[Special:Contributions/87.102.91.126|87.102.91.126]]<sup>[[User talk:87.102.91.126#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:58, February 24, 2014 (UTC) | |||
This actually makes a lot of sense! | |||
[[User:Wario64|Wario64]] [[User talk:Wario64|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:33, June 30, 2014 (UTC) | |||
Agreed. It does. | |||
Imamadmad: On top of the factors you've cited, the Doctor's knowledge that he'd not just killed a large number of individuals but had wiped out an entire species -- again -- wouldn't have improved his state of mind. The Racnoss were, after all, intelligent & technologically fairly advanced, although also extremely dangerous. | |||
Whosethebestwho: "It was stated on screen that the Doctor drowned too quickly to regenerate...so that's what happened." It was stated ''as an assumption made by a UNIT soldier who didn't himself witness it''. What he said was, "The Doctor is dead. Must have happened too fast for him to regenerate." That "Must have" makes it clear that it's the character's opinion, not a known fact. It could be a mistaken opinion. --[[Special:Contributions/89.243.201.190|89.243.201.190]]<sup>[[User talk:89.243.201.190#top|talk to me]]</sup> 20:37, June 30, 2014 (UTC) | |||
I think that this debate is useless. It was a long time ago and while I think this would have been a brilliant addition of the episode, it was never thought up and the script does seem to contradict it. Of course, it ''is'' possible that UNIT simply ''assumed'' that was the cause of death, and he secretly let it happen. | |||
Imamadman said, "Rose was the first companion the Doctor allowed himself to romantically love, probably the first person since his wife back on Gallifrey; Susan's grandmother." I just wanted to point out that the Doctor seemed to genuinely care for [[Scarlette]].--[[User:JohnSmith5000100|FredBloggs5100 aka your master]] [[User talk:JohnSmith5000100|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:09, January 9, 2016 (UTC) | |||
I agree. | |||
I personally think it is really left up to the audience imaginations (as some have pointed out, the UNIT Solider was just speculating). |