Talk:Chronotis

Move page?

I always insist on naming things correctly, so... shouldn't this page be moved to Salyavin, as that is his original Time Lord name? --NOTASTAFF GPT_(talk)^(eating) 12:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Do we call the Master's page Koschei? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 00:51, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

I believe this page should be re-moved to Chronotis. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 22:41, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

You'll need a different admin to agree with you. I, for one, refuse to move the page to Chronitis. It's not analogous to the Koschei/Master thing at all, in part because both Salyavin and Chronitis are given in the same story. All due respect to the concept of all stories having equal weight, but Koschei came in the 1990s in one obscure novel. By contrast, it's a critical plot point in Shada that the guy's name is Salyavin. With these alternate names for the Doctor, the Master, the Monk and the Rani, they're not really crucial to the plot of a novel. They're kind of incidental, if interesting, details. And we don't have a declarative statement that These Are The Character's Real Names. They come across to me as merely school nicknames. Here, we are told unambiguously and directly that Chronitis' real name is Salyavin. If he were to encounter Time Lords on Gallifrey, that's what they'd call him, in the same way that the High Council has repeatedly been seen calling the Doctor "the Doctor" and the Master "the Master".

In short, I agree with the original poster from 2007.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 16:35: Sat 21 Jan 2012 

Well, despite this, "Chronotis" was still the name he went by. He USED to be called "Salyavin," but now he goes by "Chronotis." The Doctor's real name is a plot point right now, but if in the next episode of the show, it was revealled that the Doctor's name was "Jim," we wouldn't change the page to "Jim," would we? No, it would still be "The Doctor." although, in hindsight, it propably doesn't matter that much. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 20:01, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with OttelSpy. Articles should be titled by the most commonly used name, and when people refer to this character they generally call him Chronotis, not Salyavin. We don't find out that Chronotis was Salyavin until the end of the story; in story terms, he's Chronotis for ages before that revelation. And I think that article naming should be based on out-of-universe considerations. —Josiah Rowe ^{talk to me} 02:46, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

The difference between Salyavin/Chronotis and Koschei/Master is that "Chronotis" was a human alias of Salyavin, while "the Master" is a Gallifreyan alias of Koschei. A more accurate counterpart to "Chronotis" is "Yana" or "Harold Saxon", while a more accurate counterpart to Koschei/Master is Mortimus/Monk or (Doctor's name)/Doctor. Bwburke94 ~ Creator of All Things Brilliant! ~ 21:00, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

I would say that the perfect comparison is Kate Stewart. Now, we know that she was born with her father's more elongated name, but she goes by Stewart now so we changed it to that after one episode, even with five stories beforehand that did not know her in that sense, because that's the name that we know she prefers to go by. It's similar to MOS:IDENTITY in Wikipedia to me. Either we need to go with what they preferred to be known as or we go by what they were called in most of their appearances. In both cases, the answer is Chronotis.

Also, by no means is Chronotis a human alias taken by a Time Lord. It's the name taken by a Time Lord which he used in his society for years. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 16:26, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

I can't believe I've kept a discussion going on for ten years. Curse my unhelpful meddling.

Anyways, we should totes move this to Chronotis. It's simply with the precedent. OS25 (Talk) 22:55, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

I agree that this page should be moved to Chronotis for the reasons given by OttelSpy and Josiah Rowe above. --GusF ☎ 10:19, September 2, 2017 (UTC)

I also agree with the proposed move for the reasons listed above. For the majority of the story, he is called Chronotis, and that's the title he's given in the Dirk Gently novels, so both in- and out-of-universe, that is the name he is most commonly associated with, and the title of the page should reflect this. – N8 ☎ 04:19, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Another reason to move this page to Chronotis: that's what he's called in Cambridge Previsited. – N8 ☎ 16:09, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

Image that appeared to Skagra

Not the 13th incarnation.

MagicManky wrote way back when:

• The image of Salyavin displayed to Skagra in the Shada webcast bore a strong resemblance to the Time Lord seen in Genesis of the Daleks.

The image at right was what he was talking about but it was subsequently removed to tidy up the page. --Nyktimos 00:24, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

He originally wrote "strong" not slight. --Nyktimos 00:28, August 12, 2010 (UTC)