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== Could she be Clara's daughter? ==
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== companionship ==
[[File:Osgood is not a companion.jpg|thumb|right|Here's the dialogue from ''[[Robo Rampage (comic story)|Robo Rampage]]''. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 17:28, January 4, 2017 (UTC)]]
There appears to be at least two editors thinking that Osgood is a companion of the [[Twelfth Doctor]] and at least two (including myself) insisting she is not. I propose to stop toggling the category until a consensus is reached, based on the discussion I now start by laying down the main argument (credit for it goes to [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]]) against her being a companion: the Doctor's own words from ''[[Robo Rampage (comic story)|Robo Rampage]]''. {{Unsigned|Amorkuz|20:58, December 28, 2016‎ }}


Osgood, Oswald?  When Clara was in the Black Archive she sees a picture of herself(likely one of her other selves that was created when she entered the Doctor's time-stream). Of course i'm speaking hypothetically but the similarity in their names sounds like a big coincidence to me.[[User:Jedted|Jedted]] [[User talk:Jedted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:43, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
:I think she should be considered a one story companion of the twelfth (as she took the role of his companion in the Zygon two-parter). She shouldn't be considered a companion in the Death in Heaven episode though as she didn't travel with the Doctor. [[User:Xx-connor-xX|Xx-connor-xX]] [[User talk:Xx-connor-xX|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:04, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
:Please note that according to [[Tardis:Discussion policy]], talk pages are for discussing the editing of articles, not for speculating and theorizing. We only allow speculation and theories at [[Howling:The Howling]]. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:51, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
::The Doctor seems pretty definitive, though. She's not his companion. "I'm ideal material. It's just that my work here on Earth is too important."
::The Doctor [[The Zygon Inversion (TV story)|offered]] to take her with him and Clara in their travels. "Do you want to come?" She replied, "More than anything. But I think I have to stay."
::Is the argument being made that she was briefly a companion in the Zygon stories? But then why isn't Kate a companion, for example, as well? The companion in those stories is still Clara. Osgood is a recurring character, but I don't think the Doctor's companion.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:10, January 4, 2017 (UTC)


Sorry if this isn't place for speculation. I also just realized there are other characters on this wiki called 'Osgood'. Carry on! :) [[User:Jedted|Jedted]] [[User talk:Jedted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:07, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
The way I see it is that she IS a companion. She was asked to be a companion by the Doctor and fulfilled the role of the companion in ''[[Robo Rampage]]''. This is more than can be said for people like Lady [[Christina de Souza]] who was denied companionship. --[[Special:Contributions/86.166.43.154|86.166.43.154]]<sup>[[User talk:86.166.43.154#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:39, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
:You've hit the nail on the head there. If Osgood isn't considered a companion then the likes of Christina need to be reconsidered. [[User:Xx-connor-xX|Xx-connor-xX]] [[User talk:Xx-connor-xX|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:29, March 11, 2017 (UTC)


She is Kate Stewart's daughter. Why is this not mentioned?
:: Christina is a companion ''without the need of an argument'' because the BBC has called her one. We don't have such a stance with Osgood. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 16:24, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
::: To be fair, though, the BBC has never declared River Song a companion either, yet people seem to have no issues calling her one. Possible compromise is to categorize her as "honorary companion" as has been done with Benton and Yates. Certainly the "must travel in the TARDIS" rule no longer applies (and never has, otherwise Liz Shaw wouldn't qualify as a companion). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] [[User talk:23skidoo|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:17, June 18, 2017 (UTC)
Let us return to the question at hand. However the production teams treated different characters over the years, the in-universe statement by the Doctor would always take precedence. And he said she is not his companion on the image upthread. For those who did not read the comic, he was not joking. He was stating the fact. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, June 18, 2017 (UTC)


[[User:Scrawland Scribblescratch|Scraw]] 17:34, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
== Narcissus ==
:I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what I gather, some people are hearing her saying "ma'am" but thinking she's saying "mum"; this is so far their only proof of a relationship. If there is other onscreen proof, please post it here for discussion. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:46, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
I've listened to Narcissus and if I heard right, it sounded like they confirmed that the human Osgood is still alive, meaning it was the Zygon Osgood that Missy killed. Anyone else want to weigh in on this before we make any changes to Osgood's page? [[User:MystExplorer|MystExplorer]] [[User talk:MystExplorer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:04, April 7, 2019 (UTC)


:I also heard "mum" or "mom" from that, but I think further proof is the part after the Doctor asks Osgood for a report on the stone with graphs and whatnot. Kate Stewart then orders Osgood to use her inhaler, and I doubt that she would tell a subordinate to use his or her inhaler, as opposed to her daughter.
: Yes, it was not stated explicitly. But the implication was clear when Bonnie-Osgood was arguing the other Osgood had smaller chance of survival if sent to the spaceship. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:18, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
[[User:Scrawland Scribblescratch|Scraw]] 21:18, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
::The explanation is that Osgood pronounces "Ma'am" in the manner that the Queen prefers - it ought to sound like "Mum" not "Marm". Later on in the episode she addresses Kate by name.[[Special:Contributions/86.178.206.125|86.178.206.125]]<sup>[[User talk:86.178.206.125#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:58, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
== Family stuff ==
I think Kate is her sister. The Zygon said she was jealous of one of her sisters, and I'm guessing it's Kate. I also think if that's not true, she's probably Tom Osgood's daughter. [[user:Awesomeknight1234|--Knight]]
:I find the first thing highly unlikely, there's way too large of an age gap and they don't even share the same last name. It is possible that she's related to Tom Osgood, however, he apart of UNIT and did handle many technical aspects, much like her.
:Who's to say "Osgood" is'nt the first name and Lethbridge-Stewart the last, and her name is "Osgood Lethbridge-Stewart"? And for who names the firstborn Kate and the secondborn Osgood, maybe she was born under another first name and when she was pretty young (around 3-7 years old maybe?) she decided Osgood fits her personality better and started going by that. --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] [[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:32, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
:The first time I saw Day of the Doctor, I thought Kate was her mother. From the way she kept on reminding her to take a whiff of her inhaler. [[User:Stryzzar|Styzzar]] 07:43, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

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companionship[[edit source]]

Here's the dialogue from Robo Rampage. CoT ? 17:28, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

There appears to be at least two editors thinking that Osgood is a companion of the Twelfth Doctor and at least two (including myself) insisting she is not. I propose to stop toggling the category until a consensus is reached, based on the discussion I now start by laying down the main argument (credit for it goes to TheChampionOfTime) against her being a companion: the Doctor's own words from Robo Rampage. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amorkuz (talk • contribs) 20:58, December 28, 2016‎ .

I think she should be considered a one story companion of the twelfth (as she took the role of his companion in the Zygon two-parter). She shouldn't be considered a companion in the Death in Heaven episode though as she didn't travel with the Doctor. Xx-connor-xX 21:04, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
The Doctor seems pretty definitive, though. She's not his companion. "I'm ideal material. It's just that my work here on Earth is too important."
The Doctor offered to take her with him and Clara in their travels. "Do you want to come?" She replied, "More than anything. But I think I have to stay."
Is the argument being made that she was briefly a companion in the Zygon stories? But then why isn't Kate a companion, for example, as well? The companion in those stories is still Clara. Osgood is a recurring character, but I don't think the Doctor's companion.
× SOTO (//) 19:10, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

The way I see it is that she IS a companion. She was asked to be a companion by the Doctor and fulfilled the role of the companion in Robo Rampage. This is more than can be said for people like Lady Christina de Souza who was denied companionship. --86.166.43.154talk to me 18:39, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

You've hit the nail on the head there. If Osgood isn't considered a companion then the likes of Christina need to be reconsidered. Xx-connor-xX 13:29, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
Christina is a companion without the need of an argument because the BBC has called her one. We don't have such a stance with Osgood. OS25 (Talk) 16:24, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
To be fair, though, the BBC has never declared River Song a companion either, yet people seem to have no issues calling her one. Possible compromise is to categorize her as "honorary companion" as has been done with Benton and Yates. Certainly the "must travel in the TARDIS" rule no longer applies (and never has, otherwise Liz Shaw wouldn't qualify as a companion). 23skidoo 22:17, June 18, 2017 (UTC)

Let us return to the question at hand. However the production teams treated different characters over the years, the in-universe statement by the Doctor would always take precedence. And he said she is not his companion on the image upthread. For those who did not read the comic, he was not joking. He was stating the fact. Amorkuz 23:36, June 18, 2017 (UTC)

Narcissus[[edit source]]

I've listened to Narcissus and if I heard right, it sounded like they confirmed that the human Osgood is still alive, meaning it was the Zygon Osgood that Missy killed. Anyone else want to weigh in on this before we make any changes to Osgood's page? MystExplorer 17:04, April 7, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it was not stated explicitly. But the implication was clear when Bonnie-Osgood was arguing the other Osgood had smaller chance of survival if sent to the spaceship. Amorkuz 17:18, April 7, 2019 (UTC)