Forum:Doctor Who: Worlds in Time: Difference between revisions

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"At some point in time, one of the shards of time landed in Sardicktown on the planet Ember where the Vespiform had intended to capture it. ([[VG]]: ''[[Worlds in Time]]'')"

:''Sometime in the future, the Zygons invaded the planet [[Messaline]] to look for the crystals. They encountered the [[Eleventh Doctor]]'s [[Companion (Worlds in Time)|companions]]. ([[VG]]: ''[[Worlds in Time]]'')

::::Because narrative happens to a particular character.  What happened to Jo in ''[[The Mind of Evil]]'' did not ''also'' happen to Sarah Jane in ''[[The Brain of Morbius]]''.  Or in gaming terms, what happens to Samus in ''Metroid Prime'' doesn't happen Sonic the Hedgehog or <insert name here> in <insert game here>.  It doesn't happen to millions of ''different'' characters. Your approach and success with ''Worlds in Time'' is going to be different to mine.  I might invite people to play with me, and thereby kick "Darren the Silurian" — which must surely rank as one of the stupidest names ever — out of the narrative.  We might face basically the same mission, but it's going to transpire differently, if for no other reason than that I have real players on my side and you have NPCs.  For you, the story might be, "The [[Companion (Worlds in Time)]] tried to defeat an Auton, but was repulsed several times until he finally overcame the pesky plastic creature on the tenth attempt."  For me, it might be, "the three [[Companion (Worlds in Time)|Companion]]s easily overwhelmed the Autons and saved London in the blink of an eye."  Which is right?  They both are.  Which is why this doesn't work.  There's no ''character'' to the companion.  There's no way to describe them except in terms of what obstacles they overcame.  

::WIT does one of these things. Basically you choose what order you do things in, which is not very you-choose-your-fate-ish. Sure, you have a chat box, but that doesn't affect the plot or conversations (the most it can do is get you banned for cursing...) So... the most it does is let you be who you want to be, but, really, the charactor you creates appears before you make it, that's why I used [[:File:Companion.jpg]] for the image, because it was before you got to choose ANYTHING for the character. So really, you just gave features to an already-there-character. It'd be like if they made a video game centered around [[Scared Man]] and let you change his name. He's still be [[Scared Man]], only now he'd also have been in a video game... possibly ''The Adventures of Scared Man 5'' or something...  

::::: As [[Douglas Adams]] once said, "And another thing..." I notice we thoughtlessly cover [[VG]]: ''[[Attack of the Graske (video game)|Attack of the Graske]]'', despite it being '''WORSE''' at what you guys claim then this is. Now, Czech argues that the "companion" in the game is just another way of saying "you," "you're" helping the Doctor. I don't see it that way. He's not talking to "you," he's talking to "you're character." This is not the case of ''Attach...'', in that, he is literally telling you that YOU'RE helping him. From your couch, through your TV. No character, no cover-up, just "YOU need to help me... remote control..." So, why is ''Graske'' episode not up to question but ''WIT'' is? I digress. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 23:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

:Clearly, the current wording at [[T:CAN]] is not the real reason the FASA thing is banned. Narrative contradiction is the rule of the DWU, not the exception, so you can't throw something out just because it doesn't jive with another story.  The real reason for the ban must surely be that RPGs are '''internally''' unstable narratives.  They don't come out the same each time you play them.  So anything which happens differently each time you play it shouldn't be considered a part of our tardis.wikia.com canon, because we don't know which outcome to go with.  This would mean things like the [[DYD]] and [[FYF]] books would also be slapped with a {{tl|notdwu}} warning. I don't see anything wrong with saying:  

I note upthread that we've had even more new comments that are off topic.  We're not debating the whole of canon policy.  This section isn't about ''Search Out Space'' or ''Dimensions in Time'' or the broader canon policy. I emphasise again that "canon policy" doesn't mean "canon".  It means merely what are the limits of this wiki.  The need for the distinction is obvious when you think of thorny fan bugbears like the question of whether the Doctor is half human.  The sources you're allowed to bring into the consideration of that question matter very much to the answer you're going to get. If you can't bring in ''[[The Forgotten]]'', just because it's a comic book, then you're going to have a different answer than if you do.  Thus when we say "canon policy" we are talking more about what this wiki allows you to bring to bear on any particular subject.  We're not actually trying to tell you what to believe about canon.  If you want to make ''Worlds in Time'' a part of your personal canon, that's fine.

::So your rule hinges on various different editors interpreting a vague adverb?  Doesn't immediately strike me as the wisest course of action.  It's much clearer just to say "no RPGs, no MMOs, no MMORPGs, no [[DYD]], no [[FYF]], no game in which you are playing a character that has no name or one that you have yourself named."  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}01:15: Mon&nbsp;02 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

::::Saying something like "no RPGs, no MMOs, no MMORPGs, no [[DYD]], no [[FYF]], no game in which you are playing a character that has no name or one that you have yourself named" is clear.  The only doubt we'd have as admin is determining whether the thing in question is an RPG, MMO, MMORPG, DYD, or FYF.