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== Validity ==
== Validity ==
why is this the only story that seems to be removed from the [[Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] page before any discussion has taken place? [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:15, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
why is this the only story that seems to be removed from the [[Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] page before any discussion has taken place? [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:15, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
:this story was released in the exact same way as any other in the Lockdown! list. the main reason for removal would be the fan art, but this out-of-universe material is in keeping with [[The Zygon Isolation (webcast)]] [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
I was suggesting the Lockdown! talk page. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:23, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
:I think it makes more sense here. [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
::Except your entire reason for thinking it belongs depends on it being a "lockdown release", which it isn't. So it's best served to discuss it there, as the broader discussion of "do videos posted on the Lockdown youtube video automatically become worthy of discussing" is basically what's important.[[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:28, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
:::you seem to agree that any story published with a Lockdown! hashtag, that isnt fan-made, is part of the event. so why would this be any different just because it contains fan art? [[The Zygon Isolation (webcast)]] included fansites such as this Wikia. [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
::::Addressed on [[Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:40, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
:::::the N-Space claim is complete speculation and i pay it no heed, nowhere in that webcast did it state that the story was taking place in N-Space. but if you think that for whatever reason it is, why isnt this story taking place in N-Space too? [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
Mate, you're just gonna confuse people. I'm trying to get other users involved in the discussion by having it on the other page. Take your comments there. I'm not responding here, as ridiculous as that statement was. Move to the other page so other users will talk as well and we can build consensus. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:46, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
:i created a discussion, you refused to use it and created your own. instead of moving your comments here, you moved mine. i do not believe that a conversation about this story's validity should happen anywhere other than the story's page, and therefore this is where i want my comments on the matter to stay. [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
== Coverage ==
I shall repeat my argument from [[Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown!]]: I am of the opinion that we can cover ''[[Vincent and the Doctor's Gallery (webcast)|Vincent and the Doctor's Gallery]]'' the way we cover a lot of should of ''[[The Fan Show]]'': as a documentary with some invalid in-universe bits that are impossible to separate fully from the documentariness.
It doesn't entirely fail Rule 1, but the publisher's summary makes it clear it's ''primarily'' intended as a documentary, despite the minor bits of DWU-ish whimsy used to frame the information, so the precedent established at [[Talk:Anna's Doctor Who Surprise]] (to treat such things as documentaries but mention the in-universe bit on the page somewhere) should apply. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:51, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
:I think that’s sensible. [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
::i am actually thinking that this should be covered in a category of its own - as it is not really a documentory any more than it is a story, there was a cover of the [[Long Song]] released yesterday (that was organised for the [[Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] event). maybe these two releases should be covered together on a separate list? both contain material sent in by fans (be it the artwork in this release, or the singing videos for the Long Song). [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1|DiSoRiEnTeD1]] [[User talk:DiSoRiEnTeD1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]

Latest revision as of 17:05, 27 May 2020

Validity[[edit source]]

why is this the only story that seems to be removed from the Doctor Who: Lockdown! page before any discussion has taken place? DiSoRiEnTeD1 01:15, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

this story was released in the exact same way as any other in the Lockdown! list. the main reason for removal would be the fan art, but this out-of-universe material is in keeping with The Zygon Isolation (webcast) DiSoRiEnTeD1

I was suggesting the Lockdown! talk page. Najawin 01:23, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

I think it makes more sense here. DiSoRiEnTeD1
Except your entire reason for thinking it belongs depends on it being a "lockdown release", which it isn't. So it's best served to discuss it there, as the broader discussion of "do videos posted on the Lockdown youtube video automatically become worthy of discussing" is basically what's important.Najawin 01:28, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
you seem to agree that any story published with a Lockdown! hashtag, that isnt fan-made, is part of the event. so why would this be any different just because it contains fan art? The Zygon Isolation (webcast) included fansites such as this Wikia. DiSoRiEnTeD1
Addressed on Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown! Najawin 01:40, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
the N-Space claim is complete speculation and i pay it no heed, nowhere in that webcast did it state that the story was taking place in N-Space. but if you think that for whatever reason it is, why isnt this story taking place in N-Space too? DiSoRiEnTeD1

Mate, you're just gonna confuse people. I'm trying to get other users involved in the discussion by having it on the other page. Take your comments there. I'm not responding here, as ridiculous as that statement was. Move to the other page so other users will talk as well and we can build consensus. Najawin 01:46, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

i created a discussion, you refused to use it and created your own. instead of moving your comments here, you moved mine. i do not believe that a conversation about this story's validity should happen anywhere other than the story's page, and therefore this is where i want my comments on the matter to stay. DiSoRiEnTeD1

Coverage[[edit source]]

I shall repeat my argument from Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown!: I am of the opinion that we can cover Vincent and the Doctor's Gallery the way we cover a lot of should of The Fan Show: as a documentary with some invalid in-universe bits that are impossible to separate fully from the documentariness.

It doesn't entirely fail Rule 1, but the publisher's summary makes it clear it's primarily intended as a documentary, despite the minor bits of DWU-ish whimsy used to frame the information, so the precedent established at Talk:Anna's Doctor Who Surprise (to treat such things as documentaries but mention the in-universe bit on the page somewhere) should apply. --Scrooge MacDuck 09:51, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

I think that’s sensible. DiSoRiEnTeD1
i am actually thinking that this should be covered in a category of its own - as it is not really a documentory any more than it is a story, there was a cover of the Long Song released yesterday (that was organised for the Doctor Who: Lockdown! event). maybe these two releases should be covered together on a separate list? both contain material sent in by fans (be it the artwork in this release, or the singing videos for the Long Song). DiSoRiEnTeD1