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:The city in ''[[The Daleks]]'' had a lake on one side, mountains near it (not sure where Kaalann stands with regards to these features). | :The city in ''[[The Daleks]]'' had a lake on one side, mountains near it (not sure where Kaalann stands with regards to these features). | ||
:But, the lead sentence for this article describes it as the '''capital''' city (is stated specifically?). Do the various sources we have access to ever state that places like; the Kaled Dome, the Daleks' city, the ruined city where Davros does his first Dalek experiments and other places state they are the 'capital city'. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC) | :But, the lead sentence for this article describes it as the '''capital''' city (is stated specifically?). Do the various sources we have access to ever state that places like; the Kaled Dome, the Daleks' city, the ruined city where Davros does his first Dalek experiments and other places state they are the 'capital city'. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Merger with [[Dalek City]]== | |||
Is there any further information to suggest that this article and [[Dalek City]] should be merged? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 05:13, September 6, 2012 (UTC) | |||
: Not necessarily conclusive evidence if we're being very, ''very'' strict about going strictly by what is explicitly said in stories… but ''[[The Dalek Handbook]]'' from 2011 explicitly identifies Kaalann as the name of the classic Dalek City, so I think that between that and the Doctor's description of the video game Kaalann as the Daleks' capital city which he last saw in ruins, it's fairly clear what the authorial intent was. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:55, July 23, 2019 (UTC) | |||
::''[[The Dalek Handbook]]'' is not a [[Tardis:Valid sources|valid source]] for in-universe articles. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:39, July 23, 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::No, of course it isn't, hence why I acknowledged that it was "not necessarily conclusive evidence" before anything else. But while not a valid source for Tardis's version of an in-universe ''Who'' encyclopedia, I thought it useful to pull it in as proof that in terms of authorial intent, the creators of the video game Kaalann almost certainly intended it to be the City. If this was the sole evidence, it would, as non-narrative info, not pass Tardis's standards of what it accepts on in-universe pages. | |||
:::But from where I'm standing, we're being as speculative in positing two separate Dalek capital cities as we would be in conflating Kaalann with the classic Dalek City, and reference material from around the time of production shows that ''our'' speculation is clearly not what the writers of the story in question had in mind. Which really ought to colour our choice of which of the two readings we take. | |||
:::Honestly, the case doesn't seem to me to be too different from when the TV series revealed the name of Gallifrey. No Wiki was around then, of course, but surely no viewer back then defaulted to the assumption that this was a ''new'' "home planet of the Time Lords", separate from the unnamed one seen previously in ''War Games'' and ''Three Doctors''. Why should we treat a story revealing the name of "the capital city of the Daleks" any differently, especially when we've got off-screen confirmation that ''yes'', the BBC ''did'' mean for us to read it as the name of the old Dalek City?--[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:56, July 23, 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::: [[PROSE]]: ''[[Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe (short story)|Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe]]'' does confirm that the two are one and the same, albeit with a spelling difference ([[Kaalann]] vs [[Kalaann]]) [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:18, September 2, 2020 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 11:18, 2 September 2020
"Kaalann may be the same city as the Dalek City seen in previous stories."[[edit source]]
I don't think so as on the official site, it says: "but the four original stories will take players on a journey throughout time and space, including one location from the Doctor Who series which has never been seen before on screen." However, this may be in one of the later games so I think that should stay until the fourth game has come out. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 13:13, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Is there anything to positively connect Kaalann with any sites on Skaro? (In-universe I mean)
- The Kaled Dome was the home city of the Kaleds on Skaro.
- Another old ruined city is mentioned in Guilt.
- The city in The Daleks had a lake on one side, mountains near it (not sure where Kaalann stands with regards to these features).
- But, the lead sentence for this article describes it as the capital city (is stated specifically?). Do the various sources we have access to ever state that places like; the Kaled Dome, the Daleks' city, the ruined city where Davros does his first Dalek experiments and other places state they are the 'capital city'. --Tangerineduel 13:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC)--Tangerineduel 13:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
Merger with Dalek City[[edit source]]
Is there any further information to suggest that this article and Dalek City should be merged? --Tangerineduel / talk 05:13, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Not necessarily conclusive evidence if we're being very, very strict about going strictly by what is explicitly said in stories… but The Dalek Handbook from 2011 explicitly identifies Kaalann as the name of the classic Dalek City, so I think that between that and the Doctor's description of the video game Kaalann as the Daleks' capital city which he last saw in ruins, it's fairly clear what the authorial intent was. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:55, July 23, 2019 (UTC)
- The Dalek Handbook is not a valid source for in-universe articles. Shambala108 ☎ 15:39, July 23, 2019 (UTC)
- No, of course it isn't, hence why I acknowledged that it was "not necessarily conclusive evidence" before anything else. But while not a valid source for Tardis's version of an in-universe Who encyclopedia, I thought it useful to pull it in as proof that in terms of authorial intent, the creators of the video game Kaalann almost certainly intended it to be the City. If this was the sole evidence, it would, as non-narrative info, not pass Tardis's standards of what it accepts on in-universe pages.
- The Dalek Handbook is not a valid source for in-universe articles. Shambala108 ☎ 15:39, July 23, 2019 (UTC)
- But from where I'm standing, we're being as speculative in positing two separate Dalek capital cities as we would be in conflating Kaalann with the classic Dalek City, and reference material from around the time of production shows that our speculation is clearly not what the writers of the story in question had in mind. Which really ought to colour our choice of which of the two readings we take.
- Honestly, the case doesn't seem to me to be too different from when the TV series revealed the name of Gallifrey. No Wiki was around then, of course, but surely no viewer back then defaulted to the assumption that this was a new "home planet of the Time Lords", separate from the unnamed one seen previously in War Games and Three Doctors. Why should we treat a story revealing the name of "the capital city of the Daleks" any differently, especially when we've got off-screen confirmation that yes, the BBC did mean for us to read it as the name of the old Dalek City?--Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:56, July 23, 2019 (UTC)