Talk:Abzorbalovian

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If Captain Jack's Monster Files had an actual name, why is there a conjectural title? The following was removed at some point from the Abzorbaloff article:

Unknown, dubbed "Abzorbaloff" by Elton Pope and the Tenth Doctor, possibly Clomian. However in Captain Jack's Monster Files in a freeze-frame, they are called the "Abzorbalovians."

--Nyktimos 23:38, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

The reason is because in the narrative of L&M, it's very clear "Absorbaloff" is a name the Doctor invents, and the creature says, "I like that! Good!" It's quite clearly not his species name. Remember that CJMF are, narratively, Torchwood files, thus influenced by the Doctor's perception of events. Put another way, Jack's using the Doctor's name for them; it's not what they call themselves. It's the classic case of naming from the specific individual to the general group.

We could get away with calling them "Absorbalovian", though, as long as we made it clear that wasn't their actual name, but rather one applied to them by Captain Jack. (Kinda in the same vein that "Ice Warrior" isn't the real name of that species, but a name given by Victoria, or "Chumbley" is a name of Vicki's invention)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 12:59:19 Wed 01 Jun 2011 

Done. Changed over to Abzorbalovian, and all links changed too. Clomian now protected from re-creation. Abzorbalovian much preferable for reasons given by Nyktimos, but also because there is no definitive in-universe spelling of "Clom". As far as I know, it could be either Clom or Klom, doubling the problem of "Clomian".
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 13:59:22 Wed 01 Jun 2011  13:59, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

I'm disputing even making a page for this. On the relevant video, there's a reference to the Abzorbalovian Rebels being descendants of the Huspick Degenerate (in a graphic of the Degenerate's family tree), but there's not a single reference to "Victor Kennedy" or "Clom", nor is the tree directly attributed to Jack during his narration. What Jack does narrate over this family tree even seems to imply that the Rebels are Raxacoricofallapatorian family, rather than a "Clomian" one. -- Tybort (talk page) 14:41, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

The distinctly dodgy Slitheen are cousins to some equally unpleasant Raxacoricofallapatorian families.Captain Jack Harkness

I don't understand your issue. L&M establishes that his race is from Clom. It also establishes that he is an Abzorbaloff. So what the CJMF establishes is that the adjective and denomnym of Abzorbaloff is Abzorbalovian. Perhaps you could explain your position a bit more — and maybe do it over at Board:The Reference Desk, cause this isn't a page I'm gonna remember to return to. (And the issue technically involves multiple pages anyway.)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  06:59: Wed 19 Dec 2012

The adjective and demonym of something people who have never been to Clom made up on the spot, if I remember L&M correctly. I'll make the full case on the forums once I've refreshed on the early Tennant episodes; I'm really just here to correct my error that Clom is briefly referenced in the clip through the family tree's Clom Colonists, but that's a branch of the tree on the opposite side. -- Tybort (talk page) 22:54, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

IT just went with the title Abzorbaloff. it species name is confirmed as Abzorbalovian. the rebels are obviously and it confirmed there planet is close to the slitheen.

Not to mention it just took the name as the doctor said it. and no one ever said it couldn;t be interbreeding between the two. and no offence but the wiki does leave out some detail. For all we know the suggestion that the Abzorbalovian might be cause of poor choice of written words. 24.215.188.166^{talk to me} 10:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for not spotting this before. But anyway, all of that is speculation. If the wiki leaves out detail, that's (in part) because of rule 1 of the four little rules. When I edit, I always try my best to excise instances of "unknown", apart from maybe the "unknown dates" headers.

Also, Earth is close to the Moon. Doesn't mean there's interbreeding between humans and Moonites. Hell, for that matter, it doesn't necessarily mean there's even been interbreeding between humans' ape ancestors and Silurians.

On top of that, the Rebels are in the top left of the tree, while the Slitheen, including "Slip Fel Fotch" [sic], are right at the bottom, insinuating that this family tree is actually based around when Torchwood Three was still active in the early 21st century. I understand the inconsistency about Ice Warriors being named by Earth scientists in the future and yet using the name themselves frequently (and, from what I can recall, before the events of The Ice Warriors), but Love and Monsters is the ONLY appearance of Victor Kennedy, which the Doctor and Elton — neither of whom know about his planet — give the name "Abzorbaloff" to, so I'm not sure how the name can spread in the past (at least not without leaps of speculation and guesswork).

Personally, I think the Monster Files is a grey area that edges towards our recent excising of websites as material, but that's not what this discussion's about.

I also stand by what I said before. Jack's narration (effectively; as I said before, Jack doesn't actually SAY "Abzorbalovian" anywhere in the narration) calls all of them Raxacoricofallapatorian families at the same time several branches including the Rebels are highlighted, insinuating that even if there IS cross-breeding among the two worlds' native species, the DNA of these clans would principally be that of the Slitheen's species. -- Tybort (talk page) 19:53, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

There's been no new discussion on this since August 2013. Is there any consensus yet on whether or not to delete? ----Ebyabe (talk) 15:57, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Not to be contrary but I think the common-sense reading of those lines isn't that there is interbreeding between Raxacoricofallaportians and "Abzorbalovians", but rather than the Abzorbalovians are al mutated descendants of Huspick Degenerate's lineage — which would explain both the meaning of "Degenerate" in that character's name, and the otherwise-baffling fact that Abzorbalovians and Raxacoricofallaportians are "cousin species" with clear physical similarities despite being from different planets. Does anyone disagree with my understanding of the text here?--Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:07, October 19, 2020 (UTC)

Isop Galaxy?

Clom is listed to be in Mutter's Spiral, yet this species is listed in being the Isop Galaxy. Shouldn't it be listed as a Mutter's Spiral species?

No Offense 11:53 PM November 16, 2013 (UTC)