Talk:Cyber-conversion

The details about the attempt conversion of Craig Owen should be moved into the Cybus portion of the article, since the crashed ship had absolutely nothing to do with Mondasian Cybermen whatsoever. The Cybermen featured in this episode were identical to the ones from The Pandorica Opens (and clearly use a similar form of conversion; note the "hot metal" effect of the splitting seam down the front of the helmet as it opens/closes in both situations), and more or less identical to the Pete's World ones (C logo on the chestplate replaced with a simple circle, and in every appearance having emotional inhibitor chips which cause the heads to explode upon deactivation.)

Tbh, suggesting that ANY Cybermen other than ones resembling the rather ridiculous looking handlebar-heads of the old series "Mondasian" is pretty insane. Not to mention we KNOW what they canonically look like in the new series as one appeared - albeit decapitated and probably an empty shell - in the Ninth Doctor's "Dalek" episode. 87.194.93.98^{talk to me} 17:57, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

First off, ridiculous? Really? Try to convince me of your opinion, and the best way is to always directly insult mine. Second off, this has been done an done and done. The Cybermen of the latest episodes were meant to be Mondasian by the creators, as per The Brilliant Book 2012, and we have decided as a wiki that they should be so. The Cybus cybermen have always had a way that they reached our universe, and in these last two episodes they have had none, and the lack of "C" on their logo makes it clear that they are not Cybus. As well, COMIC: Assimilation² clearly identifies post-Pandorica Cybermen as Mondasian.

Your description of Mondasian Cybermen has also made it very clear that you have never watched a single episode of the classic series. And say what you want about the Mondas Cybermen and how "rediculous" they look, but at least they weren't as boring and contrived as the Cybus cybermen. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:43, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I have seen the original series, and I found the Mondasian Cybermen to be highly stereotypical "sci-fi" baddies of the black and white era. The Cybus version is far, far more realistic.

Oh, and Assimilation states they're Mondasian does it? Interesting, considering how they've got a dirty great big C on their chests; YOUR explanation for why they're NOT Cybus. Oh, same type of ships that the 12th Cyber Legion were shown to be using in A Good Man Goes to War, as well. Ships that were piloted by C-less Cybermen. Seems pretty obvious to me that they just changed their chestplate design at some undisclosed point in the future.

And, in case you're STILL planning on some sort of comeback, here's some evidence of that: http://i.imgur.com/ulvdK.jpg, aaaaaand... http://i.imgur.com/itOwY.jpg

That is, of course, that you accept Assimilation as canon... but you brought it up. Incidentally, the Brilliant Book 2012 is NOT canon, as has been stated in various places throughout this wiki.

EDIT: AND, the weapons used by the clearly-of-Cybus-origin-men in Pandorica Opens used the same weapons as those of the 12th Cyber Legion; either originally developed by the Cybus Cybermen themselves, or by Torchwood/The Preachers in Pete's World.

It may just be time to accept the fact that the Mondasian Cybermen are just one of those races which aren't part of the modern Whoniverse anymore. Who knows, they may even have been wiped out entirely, or been time-locked along with the rest of the Time War.87.194.93.98^{talk to me} 19:41, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

You're completely right in saying that BB2012 is not cannon. That's why i use it here as a source for an out of universe context. And Assimilation issue 1 had them drawn with the "C"s on their chest as a mistake, and later issues corrected this by showing no "C".

It just may be time for you to accept that the Cybus Cybermen just aren't used in the series anymore. They've been replaced with ones that didn't suck from the get go, the Mondasian Cybermen. OS25 (talk to me, baby.)

Issues 1 and 2 both have them with Cs, Issue 3/4 has round, and the rest of the issues have very odd Cybermen from a possible parallel future with the Klingon Empire seal on them, Slitheen-like features on the helmets, Judoon Cybermen with rhinoceros horns, and Borgified Cybermen with the green plasma discharge thingy in the middle.

You still haven't refuted any of my other points though.87.194.93.98^{talk to me} 20:41, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

That's cause I don't think they matter. The Cybermen were identified at Mondasian. That's what I care about. And yeah, sure, Time War and blah blah blah. That's what you guys always say. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:14, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Someone has said that the first fully-converted Mondasian Cyberman was Bill Potts, and made it a statement at the start of the article. I was going to edit it, but thought it best to mention on the Talk page so that it can be properly redistributed elsewhere on the page. This is because Bill was not the first fully-converted Mondasian Cyberman, just the first fully-converted Mondasian Cyberman on the ship where the relevant story takes place. Going by the timeline in that episode, and other Doctor Who stories, it is highly likely that there have already been fully-converted Mondasian Cybermen long before Bill Potts.

Idea for page expansion

Given there's a large variety of cyber-conversion methods, as well as notable variations in the types of lifeforms that different Cybermen can convert, should we reorganise this page to reflect these? We can expand the sections before the "Cyber-converted individuals" section with different sub-headings for paragraphs on different conversion methods and what species could be converted by different Cybermen. CyberFoundries900 ☎ 14:20, November 21, 2020 (UTC)