Talk:List Of Deaths (Classic series)

Is this page needed?

I do have to raise the question, as I personally have a bit of a qualm over what purpose this will serve. Most lists have a clear one, whereas - with no offence intended - I'm struggling to see one for this. And I do wonder if having a page to list deaths is a tenable list given the body counts in some stories, rather than something that would just be bloated & lacking in purpose.

And having a EVERYBODY LIVES section for stories that don't fit the list certainly doesn't make sense to me. You don't find a way to fit stories into a list that the criteria or topic isn't applicable for. JDPManjoume ☎ 17:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that in the future when this page is fleshed out those episodes that currently have "EVERYBODY LIVES" should likely have that removed, but for now, to remind people of what episodes have been covered, while the page is being built up, I don't mind it. Najawin ☎ 17:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Given that a lot of these death would be speculative it doesn't make sense, also calling this page "classic series" is a conjecture, what are we defining as "classic", it also seems TV centric, so should be rename to talk about TV stories. Otherwise all stories regardless of media should be included. Also can the titles of Hartnell stories used the agreed titles on here rather than all the alternative stories Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 17:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

"Classic Series" is a well-known term that refers to Seasons 1 through 26, and maybe the TV Movie (although there's some debate). It by definition refers to the TV series. And while that is the only way in which the page alone would make sense, it is true that it breaks the spirit of T:NPOV unless we also create List of deaths in Big Finish Doctor Who, List of deaths in The True History of Faction Paradox, and so on and so forth.

To be clear, I am not in favour of this page. I opened this discussion rather than delete it on sight because it was a good-faith suggestion and could have some justifications behind it — just not ones that are very strong — so I'd rather we built up a consensus against, than delete it unbidden without giving it a fair trial. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 18:14, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Speaking as one of the few semi-active FP editors (though one who has been busy with other stuff so hasn't had quite as much time to dedicate to plot summaries as I would like), a "List of Deaths" for FP would be so far down my list of priorities given how sparse the treatment of the series is that I don't think it's worth considering (though I also admit I haven't gotten to the audios yet). Maybe someone else might find it more engaging than I, it's a volunteer wiki and we all choose what to prioritize, but that list would likely be years away from being worked on in my estimation. By the same token, given our already sparse treatment of plot descriptions for the VNAs and many Big Finish audios, I suspect that lists for those would not be forthcoming either in the near future. Najawin ☎ 18:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

My point exactly.Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I think I should explain what my plans are with this page. My plan is to accompany it with a separate page cover the revived series. I do not have access to enough Big Finish to create a page for that. If either of them are too bloated, I will divide them further, say by doing one page for each Doctor's era. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josman Tickle (talk • contribs) .

I was under the impression that most of the site isn't particularly "needed" or for a puropse but just there for fun and for the enjoyment of anyone who might find it interesting. I saw some similar pages on other fandom wikis and thought a similar thing may be of interest to some people here and that if there were problems with the formatting, they could be sorted later. It seems I was wrong so I'll happily take it down. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josman Tickle (talk • contribs) .

To quote the Neutral President: "I have no strong feelings, one way or the other." However, I would lean towards keeping the page, it does no harm I see and it isn't that different from the cliffhanger list pages. Admittedly, pretty much the same thing is already done on the Movie Morgue Wiki (which I would recommend to page's creator in the event of deletion). MrThermomanPreacher ☎ 20:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Moot point, Shambala's deleted it. Najawin ☎ 21:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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This page is similar to pages like "list of appearances of the TARDIS": the list is so long (and unwieldy) and could probably never approach anything like completion, that we don't allow pages like this. In addition, one of the groupings was for "implied" deaths, and we definitely do NOT allow any kind of speculation on this wiki. The moral of the story is, if a basic idea like this is missing from the wiki, there might be a reason, so it's always better to ask an admin first. Shambala108 ☎ 21:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)