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::Alrighty, I've changed the [[Tardis:Format for Television Story Entries]] guide from Discontinuity to Production errors and re-written the information for it. Any discussion about discontinuity of the story can take place in [[Forum:The Howling]] (as noted on the Format for TV stories page) as the article's talk page should be used to discuss the editing of the article rather than debate about elements of the story. I've begun working through the stories editing out the discontinuity starting with ''[[An Unearthly Child]]''. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 07:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | ::Alrighty, I've changed the [[Tardis:Format for Television Story Entries]] guide from Discontinuity to Production errors and re-written the information for it. Any discussion about discontinuity of the story can take place in [[Forum:The Howling]] (as noted on the Format for TV stories page) as the article's talk page should be used to discuss the editing of the article rather than debate about elements of the story. I've begun working through the stories editing out the discontinuity starting with ''[[An Unearthly Child]]''. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 07:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Yeah, much cleaner, but still I think people aren't necessarily going to read the MOS to know that production errors '''don't''' include continuity (canon) errors. It is a "(pre-)production error", for instance, that the Doctor was conceptualized as a human named Dr. Who in the films; or that ''Genesis of the Daleks'' appears to conceptualize Daleks in a very different way to ''The Daleks''; or that the mixture of human and Time Lord DNA is seen as problematic in "Journey's End", but not in the TVM. But none of that is really what we're talking about. I don't think the average user would see the heading "Recording errors" and think to put stuff like that there. Besides which, there is the messy issue of the fact that on modern DW there's a '''very''' clear line between production, pre-production, and post-production. A "production error" is technically '''only''' something that occurs in principal photography and pick-ups. Your earlier editing example is not a production error, but a post-production one. Likewise, the massive errors in ''The Waters of Mars'' screen graphics are post-production errors. I still think recording error works, because it's immediately apparent we're NOT talking about the script, and because ultimately the final cut is recorded onto a master. Which means the sum total of all behind-the-scenes errors is ultimately a recording error. These things wouldn't be errors if that final record button didn't commit them to the master. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | :::Yeah, much cleaner, but still I think people aren't necessarily going to read the MOS to know that production errors '''don't''' include continuity (canon) errors. It is a "(pre-)production error", for instance, that the Doctor was conceptualized as a human named Dr. Who in the films; or that ''Genesis of the Daleks'' appears to conceptualize Daleks in a very different way to ''The Daleks''; or that the mixture of human and Time Lord DNA is seen as problematic in "Journey's End", but not in the TVM. But none of that is really what we're talking about. I don't think the average user would see the heading "Recording errors" and think to put stuff like that there. Besides which, there is the messy issue of the fact that on modern DW there's a '''very''' clear line between production, pre-production, and post-production. A "production error" is technically '''only''' something that occurs in principal photography and pick-ups. Your earlier editing example is not a production error, but a post-production one. Likewise, the massive errors in ''The Waters of Mars'' screen graphics are post-production errors. I still think recording error works, because it's immediately apparent we're NOT talking about the script, and because ultimately the final cut is recorded onto a master. Which means the sum total of all behind-the-scenes errors is ultimately a recording error. These things wouldn't be errors if that final record button didn't commit them to the master. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::We will obviously need to point this out to some people, which is the nature of changing things like this. Mini-mitch's suggestion above of an announcement (on the forums or somewhere) is a good idea also. | |||
::::Jump cuts aren't really recording errors either. But production errors wraps up the idea of 'this is stuff that was wrong in the recording and post production of this story'. | |||
::::I have a problem with the word record as it's really about something being written in a permanent form, whilst some of these errors have occured through the process of producing a final work using the recorded elements, hence Production errors. | |||
::::The Waters of Mars 'errors' are debatable, they don't make sense within wider continuity, but that doesn't necessarily make them errors (they are elements of continuity that doesn't make sense), but there's nothing inherently wrong with them. Unless there is a source that can be cited that proves they were wrongly created? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 16:06, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||