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Just FYI, the wiki does have policies related to how pages are edited, such as using merchandise infoboxes for series, while story infoboxes are used for the individual stories, and 'PC' is currently being used to refer to Microsoft Windows. These things can't just be changed by an editor without a discussion, see [[T:BOUND]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC) | Just FYI, the wiki does have policies related to how pages are edited, such as using merchandise infoboxes for series, while story infoboxes are used for the individual stories, and 'PC' is currently being used to refer to Microsoft Windows. These things can't just be changed by an editor without a discussion, see [[T:BOUND]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC) | ||
Understood. :) | |||
:One of those policies you're ignoring is that we write articles in past tense. So whenever you change things from "was" to "is", another editor has to go back and change it back to "was" again. See: [[T:OOU]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Another heads up, editing someone's ''user page'' is a violation of [[T:VAN]]. You wanted to edit my ''talk page'' which is at [[User_talk:Najawin]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::It is ''also'' a violation of [[T:VAN]] to clear out your own talk page. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Moving pages == | |||
Hi please note that only admins are permitted to move pages on this wiki. If you see a page that needs renaming, follow the instructions at [[Template:Rename]] thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Romana III == | |||
Hey, I wrote about this in one of my reversal rationales, but just to be clear: there was a forum thread (before the Forums blew up) on whether the Big Finish and prose Romana III should be considered the same incarnation or not. Unless that thread is concluded in your favour after the Forums are brought back, '''you are not to equate the two Romana IIIs''' in the way you have been doing. I would also thank you to stop erasing the perfectly [[Tardis:Valid sources|valid]] fact that the War Queen Romana's Gallifrey may, according to one account, have been a cloneworld rather than Gallifrey Original. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:How did I mixed the two Romanas? Please explain to me so I can make the edit removing that. Also, I'm not editing Romana III's Homeworld to say it's the Gallifrey Original; I'm editing to say it's not. {{Unsigned|D25m09}} | |||
:::Hm, sorry for misinterpreting your edits, then. I saw you removing links to [[Romana III's Gallifrey]] from some pages, and other such things. At any rate, no editing on your part required, as I reversed those of your edits which I feared obscured the difference between the two Romanas. | |||
:::At any rate, glad to have you on the Wiki all the same! | |||
:::(Oh, and incidentally, normally, you should put a reply to a message on ''the other fellow''{{'}}s talk page, in this case [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|mine]] — under a new header identical to the one I put on my message on ''your'' talk page. But don't worry, most everybody gets this wrong the first time around.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::But can you tell which parts do you think it obscured the differences? I'm trying to make the page more "simple", so you can understand the characther's story by reading it only. As I see it, as it is now, it makes you click into another characthers' pages and go into a rabbit hole to understand her full story (and trust me, as I've spend all evening going into a rabbit hole trying to understand the War in Heaven storyline lol). -- [[User:D25m09|D25m09]] [[User talk:D25m09|Talk]] 20:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::Aaah, I see. Well — please don't remove links. Like it or not, they ''are'' how the Wiki works. You can add more detail/context on the original page if you like, to avoid making it ''essential'' for readers to click the link, but that doesn't mean it's okay for you to remove said link. Also, you can add more context/clarifying language, but ''do not'' remove details just because you think they obscure the meaning. We want ''complete'' pages more than we want ''streamlined'' ones, even if both are hypothetically good to have. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::Unfortunately, I don't have access to these books and audiobooks that are referenced to make it more clear. If I had, I would. So I just removed the parts that aren't mentioned in the other characters' pages, because it makes the overall confusing. Like, for instance, the part "Romana wept, knowing that her planet was doomed, and she sent K-9 into the Doctor's TARDIS to prevent him from destroying Gallifrey." It's not mentioned in K-9's page or the Eight Doctor's page about that. -- [[User:D25m09|D25m09]] [[User talk:D25m09|Talk]] 21:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
To be fair, the wiki doesn't even have completed pages for you to even understand the War in Heaven. There are only so many of us who even edit that area of the wiki, some of us /coughs at myself/ haven't been keeping up with writing summaries we've been trying to write or even consumed all of the relevant media, and [[No Enemy But Despair (short story)|some]] [[Against Nature (novel)|of]] [[First Draft (short story)|the]] [[The Map and the Spiders (short story)|stories]] are inherently metaphorical or vague and require massive amounts of interpretation that this wiki just can't do. Let alone the fact that our current policy [[Wilhelm Liebknecht|blurs the line]] between author biographies as real people/pseudonyms or in universe characters, which is apt, given certain [[Life-Cycle (short story)|other]] stories. It's a mess. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:20, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::When information is present on one page but not the others, you should add it to the other pages, not remove it from the first one where you found it! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::If I don't have all the information so I can include in the pages with all the details that it should, I prefer not to include in other characther's pages information that someone else include it, because I fear that I just would make more confusing. Another instance of confusing: "When Romana disappeared, she went with Narvin and Leela to the Archives, where they met Tallan. She helped Narvin and Leela escape the Matrix before it collapsed." It says here the Matrix collapsed, by the Daleks who invaded Gallifrey invaded trough the Matrix. I can't understand what this collapsed means. So, in my edit, I removed this part. You know what I mean? [[User:D25m09|D25m09]] [[User talk:D25m09|Talk]] 21:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Invalid sources == | |||
[[Tardis:Valid sources|T:VS]] states that a story has to follow all of these rules to be considered valid and appear on in-universe pages (even if it was officially released like the ''[[The Lonely Assassins (video game)|The Lonely Assassins]]'' game); | |||
1) Only ''stories'' count. <br> | |||
2) A story that isn't ''commercially'' licensed by ''all'' of the relevant copyright holders doesn't count. <br> | |||
3) A story must be [[T:OFF REL|officially released]] to be valid. <br> | |||
4) If a story was ''intended'' to be set outside the DWU, then it's ''probably'' not allowed. But a [[Board:Inclusion debates|community discussion]] will likely be needed to make a final determination. | |||
This release fails rule four as the playing experience can differ from person to person, therefore it cannot be seen as valid. You can read more about that on the [[Talk: The Lonely Assassins (video game)|talkpage]]. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:07, 27 July 2021 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 21:08, 27 July 2021
Policy[[edit source]]
Just FYI, the wiki does have policies related to how pages are edited, such as using merchandise infoboxes for series, while story infoboxes are used for the individual stories, and 'PC' is currently being used to refer to Microsoft Windows. These things can't just be changed by an editor without a discussion, see T:BOUND. Najawin ☎ 20:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Understood. :)
- One of those policies you're ignoring is that we write articles in past tense. So whenever you change things from "was" to "is", another editor has to go back and change it back to "was" again. See: T:OOU. Najawin ☎ 18:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Another heads up, editing someone's user page is a violation of T:VAN. You wanted to edit my talk page which is at User_talk:Najawin. Najawin ☎ 19:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Moving pages[[edit source]]
Hi please note that only admins are permitted to move pages on this wiki. If you see a page that needs renaming, follow the instructions at Template:Rename thanks Shambala108 ☎ 00:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Romana III[[edit source]]
Hey, I wrote about this in one of my reversal rationales, but just to be clear: there was a forum thread (before the Forums blew up) on whether the Big Finish and prose Romana III should be considered the same incarnation or not. Unless that thread is concluded in your favour after the Forums are brought back, you are not to equate the two Romana IIIs in the way you have been doing. I would also thank you to stop erasing the perfectly valid fact that the War Queen Romana's Gallifrey may, according to one account, have been a cloneworld rather than Gallifrey Original. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- How did I mixed the two Romanas? Please explain to me so I can make the edit removing that. Also, I'm not editing Romana III's Homeworld to say it's the Gallifrey Original; I'm editing to say it's not. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by D25m09 (talk • contribs) .
- Hm, sorry for misinterpreting your edits, then. I saw you removing links to Romana III's Gallifrey from some pages, and other such things. At any rate, no editing on your part required, as I reversed those of your edits which I feared obscured the difference between the two Romanas.
- At any rate, glad to have you on the Wiki all the same!
- (Oh, and incidentally, normally, you should put a reply to a message on the other fellow's talk page, in this case mine — under a new header identical to the one I put on my message on your talk page. But don't worry, most everybody gets this wrong the first time around.) Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- But can you tell which parts do you think it obscured the differences? I'm trying to make the page more "simple", so you can understand the characther's story by reading it only. As I see it, as it is now, it makes you click into another characthers' pages and go into a rabbit hole to understand her full story (and trust me, as I've spend all evening going into a rabbit hole trying to understand the War in Heaven storyline lol). -- D25m09 Talk 20:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Aaah, I see. Well — please don't remove links. Like it or not, they are how the Wiki works. You can add more detail/context on the original page if you like, to avoid making it essential for readers to click the link, but that doesn't mean it's okay for you to remove said link. Also, you can add more context/clarifying language, but do not remove details just because you think they obscure the meaning. We want complete pages more than we want streamlined ones, even if both are hypothetically good to have. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't have access to these books and audiobooks that are referenced to make it more clear. If I had, I would. So I just removed the parts that aren't mentioned in the other characters' pages, because it makes the overall confusing. Like, for instance, the part "Romana wept, knowing that her planet was doomed, and she sent K-9 into the Doctor's TARDIS to prevent him from destroying Gallifrey." It's not mentioned in K-9's page or the Eight Doctor's page about that. -- D25m09 Talk 21:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Aaah, I see. Well — please don't remove links. Like it or not, they are how the Wiki works. You can add more detail/context on the original page if you like, to avoid making it essential for readers to click the link, but that doesn't mean it's okay for you to remove said link. Also, you can add more context/clarifying language, but do not remove details just because you think they obscure the meaning. We want complete pages more than we want streamlined ones, even if both are hypothetically good to have. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- But can you tell which parts do you think it obscured the differences? I'm trying to make the page more "simple", so you can understand the characther's story by reading it only. As I see it, as it is now, it makes you click into another characthers' pages and go into a rabbit hole to understand her full story (and trust me, as I've spend all evening going into a rabbit hole trying to understand the War in Heaven storyline lol). -- D25m09 Talk 20:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
To be fair, the wiki doesn't even have completed pages for you to even understand the War in Heaven. There are only so many of us who even edit that area of the wiki, some of us /coughs at myself/ haven't been keeping up with writing summaries we've been trying to write or even consumed all of the relevant media, and some of the stories are inherently metaphorical or vague and require massive amounts of interpretation that this wiki just can't do. Let alone the fact that our current policy blurs the line between author biographies as real people/pseudonyms or in universe characters, which is apt, given certain other stories. It's a mess. Najawin ☎ 00:20, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- When information is present on one page but not the others, you should add it to the other pages, not remove it from the first one where you found it! Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I don't have all the information so I can include in the pages with all the details that it should, I prefer not to include in other characther's pages information that someone else include it, because I fear that I just would make more confusing. Another instance of confusing: "When Romana disappeared, she went with Narvin and Leela to the Archives, where they met Tallan. She helped Narvin and Leela escape the Matrix before it collapsed." It says here the Matrix collapsed, by the Daleks who invaded Gallifrey invaded trough the Matrix. I can't understand what this collapsed means. So, in my edit, I removed this part. You know what I mean? D25m09 Talk 21:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- When information is present on one page but not the others, you should add it to the other pages, not remove it from the first one where you found it! Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Invalid sources[[edit source]]
T:VS states that a story has to follow all of these rules to be considered valid and appear on in-universe pages (even if it was officially released like the The Lonely Assassins game);
1) Only stories count.
2) A story that isn't commercially licensed by all of the relevant copyright holders doesn't count.
3) A story must be officially released to be valid.
4) If a story was intended to be set outside the DWU, then it's probably not allowed. But a community discussion will likely be needed to make a final determination.
This release fails rule four as the playing experience can differ from person to person, therefore it cannot be seen as valid. You can read more about that on the talkpage. RadMatter ☎ 21:07, 27 July 2021 (UTC)