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Although the [[Tenth Doctor]] insisted to [[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|the Beast]] that there could not possibly have ever been such a thing, many accounts documented the existence of a "'''pre-universe'''", some form of reality before the [[Big Bang|inception]] of [[the Doctor's universe]]. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet (TV story)|The Impossible Planet]]''/''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'') | |||
According to the [[Kotturuh]], there had in fact been whole universes before the current one, and would be again. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Dawn of the Kotturuh (short story)|The Dawn of the Kotturuh]]'') Other accounts stated that things existed before the [[Big Bang]] without necessarily constituting a distinct universe: [[Kin (Nothing O'Clock)|the Kin]] remembered the only thing that existed before the Big Bang created the universe was a particle of [[space]] and [[time]] smaller than an [[atom]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Nothing O'Clock (short story)|Nothing O'Clock]]'') The [[Second Doctor]] managed to trick the [[Vist]] into travelling back before the Time Lords evolved so that they could claim ownership of [[time]] before them. They became stuck in the "no time" that existed before [[Event One]] and could never escape there. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Forbidden Time (audio story)|The Forbidden Time]]'') [[Sabbath Dei|Sabbath]] referred to this period of "no time" as Time Zero. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Time Zero (novel)|Time Zero]]'') | |||
== Knowledge on Gallifrey == | |||
The [[Time Lord]]s had records of "the universe before theirs" in [[the Matrix]], which the [[Sixth Doctor]] accessed in [[the Matrix]] during his time as [[Lord President]]. He later described it to [[Anne Travers]]: | |||
{{quote|Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.|Sixth Doctor|Millennial Rites (novel)}} | {{quote|Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.|Sixth Doctor|Millennial Rites (novel)}} | ||
The belief this drove at was that the [[Great Old One]]s, powerful beings who often seemed unbound by the laws of physics and whom the Doctor faced many times, were actually surviving members of the race which had been equivalent to the Time Lords in this other universe. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') | |||
However, through his encounter with the [[Carnival Queen]], the [[Seventh Doctor]] realised that most of what the moder, Time Lords thought they knew about "the universe before the universe" was not actually a wholly distinct universe, but the state of reality in the [[Dark Times]], before [[Rassilon]] and the other [[Founders of Gallifrey]] managed to [[Anchor the thread|bind the structure of history]] and impose [[Rationality]] upon the universe. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') | |||
Subsequently, when facing the Beast, the [[Tenth Doctor]] once more insisted that no life could have existed before [[N-Space|the universe]] came into existence. The Beast mocked this belief for being baseless and emotionally-driven, more akin to [[religion]] than scientific certainty. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'') | |||
== History == | |||
The [[Kotturuh]] believed they had been spreading what they saw as the "gift" of [[mortality]] in the prior universes. They did the same in the universe during the [[Dark Times]] and believed they would do so again in [[After-universe|subsequent universes]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Dawn of the Kotturuh (short story)|The Dawn of the Kotturuh]]'') | |||
[[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|The Beast]] was trapped under [[Krop Tor]] by the [[Disciples of the Light]] before "light, time, space, or matter" existed, and he remained there during and after the creation of the universe. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet (TV story)|The Impossible Planet]]'') He claimed to have inspired the Devil of all religions, including the [[Arkiphets]], [[Quoldonity]], [[Christianity]], [[Pash Pash]], [[New Judaism]], [[San Klah]], and the [[Church of the Tin Vagabond]]. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'') | |||
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The | The entity called the [[Solitract]] existed in the primordial period where the constituting parts of the universe were swirling together and had not yet come together to actually form the universe. The Solitract was "banished" to the [[Solitract plane]] by the physical laws of the universe due to its incompatible energy constitution. [[Anti-zone (It Takes You Away)|Anti-zones]] formed when the Solitract made contact with the universe. ([[TV]]: ''[[It Takes You Away (TV story)|It Takes You Away]]'') | ||
When the new universe was created, many powerful species from the pre-universe fled into other realities but over time found their way back. Some, like the [[Great Old One]]s, still followed the rules of the pre-universe, giving them [[god]]-like powers. On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') | When the new universe was created, many powerful species from the pre-universe fled into other realities but over time found their way back. Some, like the [[Great Old One]]s, still followed the rules of the pre-universe, giving them [[god]]-like powers. On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') | ||
The [[Shepherd and Shepherdess]] escaped the "extinction of their universe" and arrived in [[N-Space]], where they became transparent in appearance. They moved without touching the ground and their hair and nails grew longer because they were dying in the new reality. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'') | The [[Shepherd and Shepherdess]] escaped the "extinction of their universe" and arrived in [[N-Space]], where they became transparent in appearance. They moved without touching the ground and their hair and nails grew longer because they were dying in the new reality. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'') | ||
[[Entropy Siren]]s were said to have existed before the universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Entropy Composition (audio story)|The Entropy Composition]]'') | [[Entropy Siren]]s were said to have existed before the universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Entropy Composition (audio story)|The Entropy Composition]]'') | ||
[[The Dark (Fear of the Dark)|The Dark]] was said to have been formed from the remains of the void before the [[Big Bang]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Fear of the Dark (novel)|Fear of the Dark]]'') | [[The Dark (Fear of the Dark)|The Dark]] was said to have been formed from the remains of the void before the [[Big Bang]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Fear of the Dark (novel)|Fear of the Dark]]'') | ||
[[Category:Universes and dimensions]] | [[Category:Universes and dimensions]] | ||
[[Category:History]] | [[Category:History]] | ||
[[Category:Universe]] | [[Category:Universe]] | ||
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Although the Tenth Doctor insisted to the Beast that there could not possibly have ever been such a thing, many accounts documented the existence of a "pre-universe", some form of reality before the inception of the Doctor's universe. (TV: The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit)
According to the Kotturuh, there had in fact been whole universes before the current one, and would be again. (PROSE: The Dawn of the Kotturuh) Other accounts stated that things existed before the Big Bang without necessarily constituting a distinct universe: the Kin remembered the only thing that existed before the Big Bang created the universe was a particle of space and time smaller than an atom. (PROSE: Nothing O'Clock) The Second Doctor managed to trick the Vist into travelling back before the Time Lords evolved so that they could claim ownership of time before them. They became stuck in the "no time" that existed before Event One and could never escape there. (AUDIO: The Forbidden Time) Sabbath referred to this period of "no time" as Time Zero. (PROSE: Time Zero)
Knowledge on Gallifrey
The Time Lords had records of "the universe before theirs" in the Matrix, which the Sixth Doctor accessed in the Matrix during his time as Lord President. He later described it to Anne Travers:
Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.
The belief this drove at was that the Great Old Ones, powerful beings who often seemed unbound by the laws of physics and whom the Doctor faced many times, were actually surviving members of the race which had been equivalent to the Time Lords in this other universe. (PROSE: Millennial Rites)
However, through his encounter with the Carnival Queen, the Seventh Doctor realised that most of what the moder, Time Lords thought they knew about "the universe before the universe" was not actually a wholly distinct universe, but the state of reality in the Dark Times, before Rassilon and the other Founders of Gallifrey managed to bind the structure of history and impose Rationality upon the universe. (PROSE: Christmas on a Rational Planet)
Subsequently, when facing the Beast, the Tenth Doctor once more insisted that no life could have existed before the universe came into existence. The Beast mocked this belief for being baseless and emotionally-driven, more akin to religion than scientific certainty. (TV: The Satan Pit)
History
The Kotturuh believed they had been spreading what they saw as the "gift" of mortality in the prior universes. They did the same in the universe during the Dark Times and believed they would do so again in subsequent universes. (PROSE: The Dawn of the Kotturuh)
The Beast was trapped under Krop Tor by the Disciples of the Light before "light, time, space, or matter" existed, and he remained there during and after the creation of the universe. (TV: The Impossible Planet) He claimed to have inspired the Devil of all religions, including the Arkiphets, Quoldonity, Christianity, Pash Pash, New Judaism, San Klah, and the Church of the Tin Vagabond. (TV: The Satan Pit)
The entity called the Solitract existed in the primordial period where the constituting parts of the universe were swirling together and had not yet come together to actually form the universe. The Solitract was "banished" to the Solitract plane by the physical laws of the universe due to its incompatible energy constitution. Anti-zones formed when the Solitract made contact with the universe. (TV: It Takes You Away)
When the new universe was created, many powerful species from the pre-universe fled into other realities but over time found their way back. Some, like the Great Old Ones, still followed the rules of the pre-universe, giving them god-like powers. On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. (PROSE: All-Consuming Fire, Millennial Rites)
The Shepherd and Shepherdess escaped the "extinction of their universe" and arrived in N-Space, where they became transparent in appearance. They moved without touching the ground and their hair and nails grew longer because they were dying in the new reality. (AUDIO: Persuasion)
Entropy Sirens were said to have existed before the universe. (AUDIO: The Entropy Composition)
The Dark was said to have been formed from the remains of the void before the Big Bang. (PROSE: Fear of the Dark)
