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 I still question how it is fair to have one licensed work be able to give "valid" information about another character that they do not have the license to simply because they are using a phrase that hasn't been copyrighted. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+:I do have to confess that I'm not sure I entirely understand why we're keeping, for example, the Master and man with the rosette separate when we aren't Mrs Frimbly and Mrs Wibbsey. The merging policy says that the Master and the War King aren't merged because no story has been licensed to use them both and draw a connection. Am I right in thinking, then, that ''Mrs Frimbly's Festive Diary'' has to have had the license to use Mrs Wibbsey? Do we know for a fact whether it is or not? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+:: It is far more confusing than it is being made out to be, and I have read that mock-up policy multiple times.
+:: I doubt creators would be happy to know that we are covering things regarding their characters/concepts which they haven't personally licensed or approved simply because another party... essentially hijacked their concept. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+::: Um, I did say, ''pretty clearly'', that Magrs does have the license to Mrs Wibbsey, as evidenced by her use in non-BBC stories; thus, the choice to call her Frimbly in this story is purely stylistic, along the lines of [[Cleavis]] and [[Arthur Korns]]. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 23:50, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+:::: Both times you didn't give the story, though. Are we supposed to just take you at your word without any sourcing? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+::::: ''Oh sorry, how bad of me for not going into minute detail in the hope of brevity''.
+::::: Regardless, the short story in question is ''Star Bowler'', posted on Magrs' blog. Haven't read it in a while though, so I can't remember the exact details of it, barring the use of "Wibbsey". <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 23:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+:::::: Magrs wrote ''Cheese and Crackers'' on his blog which has the Doctor, Jo, Ian, Barbara and Yates. He presumably didn't have the license to them, so why would using Mrs Wibbsey in another mean that he had the license to use her? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
+I made a typo, and I corrected it. I was remembering ''Cheese and Crackers'' as that had information pertaining to [[the gathering of the Irises in the Death Zone]]. But that story won't be covered anytime soon, due to the sheer amount of unlicensed characters in it.
+The correct story is ''Star Bowler'', but I can't remember which characters it uses apart from Wibbsey. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 00:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
+:Regardless, though, ''Cheese and Crackers'' has characters he didn't have the license to. Him using Mrs Wibbsey in another story on his blog proves nothing. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:05, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
+::In fact, most (if not all) characters in Magrs' flash fiction on his blog are about characters that he doesn't own. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
+::: Forget ''Cheese and Crackers''. it's the wrong story, It's irrelevant to this discussion. It was a typo, me naming it, and I meant ''Star Bowler'' all along. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 11:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
+::::I won't forget ''Cheese and Crackers'' because it is relevant. How can ''Star Bowler'' be inconclusive proof that Magrs can use Mrs Wibbsey when his other flash fiction stories feature characters that he isn't licensed to use? The answer is that it isn't. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
+::::: I don't think Epsilon understands your point, and I don't know how you could have made it any clearer.
+::::: Paul Magrs has shown on numerous occasions that he is able to use ''any'' character regardless of licensing on his blog as it is all essentially fanfiction. So, how does him using Mrs Wibbsey in ''Star Bowler'' confirm that he possesses the license to her character? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:14, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
+:::::: That's exactly it. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)