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 Since now ''LEGO'' is a publisher of DW content, wouldn't it be better to have a [[LEGO|in-universe page]] and a [[LEGO (company)|separate page for the company itself]]? It seem quite weird to link "'''''LEGO Dimensions''''' was a video game released by [[LEGO]] in [[2015 (releases)|2015]]" with a in-universe page on the middle of the sentence. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:24, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
 :So, any opinions on this? [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:37, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
+:: I agree with the [[idea]] of a [[:Category:Real world|real-world]] page. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
+::: I now realise that it already [[Existence|exists]] at [[The LEGO Group]]. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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 :::[[Thread:176459]] [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:44, August 27, 2018 (UTC)
+== Dalek Extermination of Earth validity ==
+I understand why the games main storyline with all of the crossovers can’t be classed as valid, but surely the same can’t be said for the Doctor’s self-contained mini episode? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:46, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
+:IIRC this was already discussed in the big ''LEGO Dimensions'' debate. In the end the reason both the main storyline and ''The Dalek Extermination of Earth'' are invalid is that there is some user-depending content in the hub-worlds — that is to say, characters and events that do or don't show up depending on the player's choice. Could be misremembering. I invite you to find the debate in the Matrix Archives and see for yourself, much as I did. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:43, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
+::Having played this, I can say there are two big problems with this story. One is that it isn’t straightforward. Despite needing the Doctor to complete the level, any character can play. Just because you can complete the level only as the Doctor, doesn’t mean that’s the only way. Also, certain things that depend on specific characters outside the DWU (for example, you need Batman or a character with his ability to rescue [[Clara Oswald]]. We can’t choose just one of infinitely many possibilities in this game (where only the Doctor is played) and say that’s the valid one. The second reason is simply because this story stretches the limits with goofiness and in my opinion doesn’t mesh with the continuity of the series. Of course, this is a secondary reason because we do have lots of silly stories and contradictions which are considered valid, like ''[[The Abominable Showmen (comic story)|The Abominable Showmen]]''. But in general it doesn’t make sense to consider this valid when there are too many possibilities, and we can just describe it on this page. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:21, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
+:::[[User:Chubby Potato]]'s first point is exactly why we don't consider this valid, but to answer [[User:WaltK]]'s question about the mini-episode, it is policy to not break things up into valid and not-valid; therefore, since part of the story is not-valid, then the whole thing is not-valid. I can point you to the policy in question, but it might take me some time to find it. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:36, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
+::::@Shambala, you say "it is policy to not break things up into valid and not-valid; therefore, since part of the story is not-valid, then the whole thing is not-valid". And it is of course true that we don't break apart a single story into valid and non-valid bits. But things like ''[[The History of the Doctor (TV story)|The History of the Doctor]]'' — narrative skits released within documentaries — have been ruled valid in the past. Being that ''Dalek Extermination'' is narratively unconnected from the main ''LEGO Dimensions'' storyline, I think that were there cause to give ''Dalek Extermination'' valid coverage, one ''could'' easily argued that it's a self-contained story released within a wider, invalid context. Again, that's only ''if'' there were reason to consider it valid by itself. Which, no, indeed there aren't. Too much variability.
+::::@Chubby, you, as Shambala said, hit the nail on the head concerning the variability. The fact that one of the possible characters to be played in ''Extermination'' is the LEGO Batman is IMO neither here nor there, though. So long as the story's meant to take place in the DWU (or feature characters who got to the story's setting ''from'' the DWU), we've deemed many crossovers valid. If ''LEGO Dimensions'' were an animated series rather than a branching-storyline game, we would likely deem it valid, and acknowledge LEGO Batman, Wyldstyle and the rest as residents of parallel universes who exist within the ''Doctor Who'' multiverse. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:46, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
+:::::To be clear, I used Batman as an example. But [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108's]] point is relevant here again: there is no way the entire level can be 100% completed without use of characters from other franchises, which is only explicable using the main story.
+:::::And while I think your point is interesting about the game being a non-variable story like an animated series, this reminds me of something else I failed to mention in my original comment: I don’t believe the Doctor and his universe we see in ''LEGO Dimensions'' is the DWU. While it isn’t explicitly stated, the eponymous "dimensions" in the game are almost certainly not the actual universes the franchises take place in. It isn’t as clear with the ''Doctor Who'' content because it isn’t a representation of an actual story in the series, but rather a bunch of references. However the other franchises sometimes show actual events and don’t line up with their real respective settings at all. I won’t go into detail here, but if you look at any part of the game, the dimensions are smaller representations of their universes, not the actual universes. So, there is another reason why this should be invalid even if it wasn’t variable. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:24, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
+::::::It was actually a big part of the original LEGO debates (about this and about ''The LEGO Batman Movie'') that the DWU is treated differently from other franchises in the game, as no efforts are made to reboot it into a parodical lego form, one just moves ahead with the usual cast and tells new ''DW'' stories that happen to be depicted in LEGO artstyle. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:55, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
+:::::::The main point from [[Thread:176459|the LEGO Dimensions debate]] is this: "As has been discussed numerous times this decade, any game which has multiple outcomes depending on how the player chooses to play isn't an actual narrative." Therefore not valid.
+:::::::And so far I haven't found the thread in question that I was looking for, but I'll get back to looking sometime this weekend. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:09, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
+== Individual sets ==
+If [[LEGO 21304 Doctor Who]] has a page, then should [[LEGO 71204 Level Pack]] and [[LEGO 71238 Fun Pack]] also have their own pages? [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)