Talk:Ansillon

Merge

The reason I created this separate from K'anpo Rimpoche, at least initially, was that we should probably discuss how we want to proceed here first. The clues should be enough to point to him being the same character, but given the link is not explicitly made to K'anpo, how authoritative should this story be for reframing his narrative?

The thing is, if this is definitely K'anpo, this story tells us that he originally went by Ansillon, then came back to this name later in life. Sounds like Ansillon would be the more appropriate name for the Time Lord in general. On the other hand, this isn't used in any other story he's appeared in. (And this is a name the character also rejects, it would seem, when he breaks away from Gallifrey as K'anpo Rimpoche.)

Middle ground might be committing to the Hermit for the main page, with the understanding that he started out as Ansillon, went by a variety of names on Gallifrey (which aren't explicitly stated to be separate incarnations), then stuck with K'anpo Rimpoche while he rejected Time Lord society, before making peace with his background and practicing a kind of radical acceptance as Ansillon, back where he began.

Any thoughts?
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 02:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't help that, while we currently treat K'anpo as the identity of the Doctor's hermit-mentor mentioned in The Time Monster, there are plenty of other identities proposed in valid sources, including Azmael, the Stranger, and the hermit (The Taking of Planet 5). In this light, Blood of the Time Lords has presented us with a golden opportunity to fix our coverage of this character. Here's what I suggest:

1. Move the "hermit on the mountain" material from K'anpo Rimpoche to The Hermit, which can serve as an in-universe disambiguation page like Time Lord messenger (Genesis of the Daleks) or The Doctor's mother.
2. Use K'anpo Rimpoche to cover the material from Planet of the Spiders. It can be treated like an incarnation page even though it covers two incarnations, removing the need for K'anpo Rimpoche 1 (Planet of the Spiders) and K'anpo Rimpoche 2 (Planet of the Spiders). (And shouldn't it be called K'anpo, since "Rimpoche" is an honourific?)
3. Use Ansillon as the page for the Time Lord of whom K'anpo was an incarnation.

This would let us fully incorporate Blood of the Time Lords into our coverage without deprioritizing K'anpo or the Hermit as "just a phase" or unworthy of coverage on their own merits. Just my personal proposal, but I think it would slice the Gordian knot and make our Hermit-related pages dramatically clearer. – n8 (☎) 04:06, 19 April 2022 (UTC)