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 : I kinda disagree - see, there are [[Trent (Lost in Time)|other]] [[Trent (Return of the Elders)|Trents]] in the DWU, so on just that count, moving this page for better disambigution would be preferable. Second of all, using the full name would improve searchability. Thirdly, there is ample precedent for this type of name change. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 11:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
+:: I know you disagree, hence why this needs a proper discussion - PLEASE forums can you return soon 🙏. But yeah from my point of view it's much better to disambiguate using in-universe information wherever possible. As for searchability, searching "Trent Alexander-Arnold" will show you a single page known as "Trent (footballer)" - very little possibility for confusion. Precedent goes both ways, e.g. [[Billie (The Gathering)]], [[Fletcher (The Haunting of Villa Diodati)]], [[Jeremy (Party Fears Two)]], [[Lanz (Just War)]] just to name a few found within a couple of minutes. More opinions and more analysis of policy is the only way we can come up with the best way of standardising this naming policy. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
+:::I agree [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]]. We should strive to use in-universe information wherever possible, but in cases such as these, where a person from the real world is being referenced, using a full name and conjecture tag aids disambiguation, improves searchability and leads to less work in the long run. In these cases, where we use the full name of a topic from the real world with a conjecture tag, only sourced information should enter the body of the text (e.g. this person should only be named as '''Trent''' in the main text. His full name can be placed in the behind the scenes section). We already have multiple precedents for this; however, once the forums become available, I would say that this does formally need to be agreed upon and written up as part of the [[Template:Conjecture/doc]].[[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
+::: When discussing this, I invite you to also look at such cases as ''[[Alien Autopsy]]''. The film is discussed in [[PROSE]]: ''[[Slow Decay (novel)|Slow Decay]]'' but remains unnamed within the book. Based on real world information, we know that the film is {{wi|Alien Autopsy (film)|Alien Autopsy}}, but the closest title we could have from in-universe information would be [[Film (Slow Decay)]]. Using the conjecture tag for such cases simply makes the wiki a whole lot easier to navigate. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
+:::: Yeah, the absence of the forums for over a year and ''countless'' missed deadlines by @[[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]] is getting very old, very quick. He needs to buck up ''and just get on with it'' - I know that restoring them would take a couple of days at most, and what's even worse is that other users have offered ''to do it for him'', but he refused.
+:::: Note about [[Billie (The Gathering)]] and [[Jeremy (Party Fears Two)]] - with Billie, it was a reference to her as a singer, and her stage name at the time was just "Billie" - I initially didn't know this and tried to get the page moved to [[Billie Piper (The Gathering)]].
+:::: As for Jeremy, I noticed that in every story he's in, no matter if [[Party Fears Two (short story)|its a celebratory story by Obverse Books]] or [[The Story of Fester Cat (novel)|a biography told from the POV of a cat]], the surname "Hoad" was never used. Which to me, seems deliberately vague in so many stories, the exclusion of "Hoad" must be intentional.
+:::: I know that you gave these as just examples, and that they could be swapped out, but I felt that the specifics were worth mentioning. As for [[Fletcher (The Haunting of Villa Diodati)]] and [[Lanz (Just War)]], I reckon those pages should be moved. If I had known of them previosuly, I would've advocated for them to be renamed. :P <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 16:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
+Enabled by [[T:MOVE LOCK]] and [[T:LOCAL RULES]], I've moved the page for disambiguation purposes. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 09:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)