User talk:Alden Loveshade

Spoilers

Hi please make sure to read our spoiler policy at Tardis:Spoiler policy. No matter how official something is, on this wiki it's considered a spoiler until air time of an episode with the information. The posts you have made on the discussion board have been deleted because you did not put them in the Spoilers category. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 03:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

As talk pages are no longer fully supported by Fandom, I'm posting this both as an edit to the original post on my talk page and am posting it on the talk page of the editor who posted on my talk page.

As it happens, I did read the Spoiler policy and also the Spoiler page which defines spoiler differently. By both of those, I personally don't see this as a spoiler. Among many other sources, it's been publicly reported as headline news (i.e. even without reading the article, the information is in the headline) by:

1. scifi.radio
2. huffpost.com
3. wikipedia.org
4. cnn.com
5. hollywoodlife.com
6. cbsnews.com
7. nbcnews.com
8. abcnews.go.com
9. abc.net.au
10. sabcnews.com
11. flipboard.com
12. thesun.co.uk
13. the-sun.com
14. theverge.com
15. popbuzz.com
16. radiotimes.com
17. npr.com
18. news.yahoo.com
19. theguardian.com
20. vulture.com
21. columbian.com
22. euronews.com
23. theglobalherald.com
24. nytimes.com
25. people.com
26. buzzfeednews.com
27. theguardian.com
28. usatoday.com
29. wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu
30. usmagazine.com
31. ign.com
32. ew.com
33. collider.com
34. variety.com
35. wsj.com
36. tvline.com
37. popsugar.com
38. insider.com
39. aol.com
40. digitalspy.com
41. msn.com
42. sfgate.com
43. upi.com
44. reuters.com
45. bbc.com

Even doing just a basic search for "Doctor Who," that information pops up among of the top results.

"Spoiler" is apparently applied on this wiki in a way that doesn't fit English language definitions of the word.

For example, Merriam-Webster: "information about the plot of a motion picture or TV program that can spoil a viewer's sense of surprise or :suspense" also "a person who discloses such information."

Perhaps you might want to find or even create a word that would have the definition you intend. This could be a word that would clarify that you do not allow on-topic public information that appears in so many sources that it's hard to avoid seeing it.

I hope this helps!

Alden Loveshade ☎ 19:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, if you have indeed read the spoiler policy and still can't see how stating casting information for a future episode is a spoiler, then I don't know what to tell you. All I can do is continue to remove your edits that violate policy, and if you refuse to understand what our policy is (which has nothing to do with official dictionary definitions and has everything to do with giving every user a safe place to visit), then you may end up being blocked if you continue to violate the policy.

And I don't understand your comment that "talk pages are not supported" since we are obviously having a conversation on our two talk pages. Shambala108 ☎ 03:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, I actually wrote "talk pages are no longer fully supported by Fandom." Newer wikis often do not have them; I believe after Wikia became Fandom, new Wikis don't have talk pages by default.

I personally don't understand how information about Doctor Who that is actually hard to avoid online counts as a "spoiler." I listed 45 news services that have reported the story in their headline--and there are more. If you want, try doing a search for "Doctor Who" and see if information about the major coming change to the series doesn't appear.

While I realize Fandom gives a fair amount of leeway to editors of an individual Wiki, I frankly have never seen anything even near this view of "spoiler" on or off of Fandom--if you don't count societies that tremendously limit freedom of speech/the press. And I have "been around" so to speak. For one thing, I was editing before this became Fandom, and even before it became Wikia, back in the Wikicities days. I've since written professionally for several news and entertainment services. I am currently looking at writing an article about Doctor Who, and am working out details of a contract to write a book that deals in part with The Doctor (admittedly in very small part, but still a part). That's actually what got me to this wiki.

If it will help, I can post a discussion in the Community forum to seek input from editors of other wikis on this "spoiler" issue, and from Fandom staff. Perhaps the input of others might help us find a common solution to this issue.

Alden Loveshade ☎ 03:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)