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I've moved the uncredited cast to the talk page until they can be properly sourced (not IMDB). [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:44, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
I've moved the uncredited cast to the talk page until they can be properly sourced (not IMDB). [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:44, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
* [[Space Station Chimera]] computer - [[Laurence Payne]] (uncredited)
* [[Space Station Chimera]] computer - [[Laurence Payne]] (uncredited)
::Chimera?  Camera, surely?[[Special:Contributions/165.225.76.55|165.225.76.55]]<sup>[[User talk:165.225.76.55#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:55, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
:::And DWM 195 is the reference you were looking for.[[Special:Contributions/165.225.80.75|165.225.80.75]]<sup>[[User talk:165.225.80.75#top|talk to me]]</sup> 11:24, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
== The Computer Display ==
As a hobby, I like finding out where text shown on-screen comes from.  In Part 2, about eight and a half minutes in, the Doctor accesses a computer and a wall of text flows very rapidly up the screen.  This one was pretty interesting to me, but I don't know what info, if any, would be appropriate to be added to the actual wiki page.
The text was created using SIMP (Simplified Integrated Modular Prose) created by Brian J. Ford.  It was published in 1971 in his book, ''Nonscience'', (ISBN 0-7234-0449-6). SIMP can also be found on Mr Ford's own website[http://www.brianjford.com/anonscic.htm].
SIMP is pretty simple to use.  It consists of four modules, each containing ten entries, numbered 0–9.  Choose or randomly generate a four digit number, one digit for each module.  Then copy the corresponding text from each module, in order.  A complete, grammatically-correct sentence will be created.  An automatic technobabble generator written long before the term was coined.
Reversing the SIMP code, by paragraph, the digits entered were:<br>
(The first digits are unknown, the start of the paragraph is already scrolled off the top of the screen when the display is shown.)<br>
206 9825<br>
0378 1015 8926<br>
9740 520(?) (sentence stops abruptly, string too long error shown on-screen)<br>
7616 2366 4614<br>
2212 6242 8469<br>
If the numbers have any meaning, it is beyond my Google skills.  Being that it actually is a computer generated display, it is likely they truly are random.
A reproduction of the text as shown on screen. All oddly broken words are exactly as was displayed.<br>
<code>ective information adds overriding<br>
performance constraints to the evolution<br>
&nbsp;of specifications over a given time<br>
period. Thus, the incorporation of addit<br>
ional mission constraints maximises<br>
the probability of project success and m<br>
inimises the cost and time required<br>
for the preliminary qualification limit.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;In respect to specific goals the c<br>
haracterisation of specific criteria<br>
presents extremely interesting challenge<br>
s to the greater flight-worthyness<br>
concept.  In particular, a primary inter-<br>
relationship between system and/or<br>
subsystem technologies must utilise and<br>
be functionally interwoven with the<br>
preliminary qualification limit. For ex<br>
ample, the independent functional<br>
principle maximises the probablility of p<br>
roject sucess and minimises the cost<br>
and time required for the evolution of s<br>
pecifications for a given time period.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thus, any associated supporting el<br>
ement necessitates that urgent<br>
consideration be applied to the total sy<br>
stem rationale. As a resultant<br>
implication, a constant flow of effectiv<br>
e information adds overriding<br>
<br>
String too long @ 720<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Based on integral subsystem consid<br>
erations, the product configuration<br>
baseline must utilise and be functionall<br>
y interwoven with the evolution of<br>
specifications over a given time period.<br>
&nbsp;On the other hand, the<br>
characterisation of specific criteria is<br>
&nbsp;further compounded when taking into<br>
account the evolution of specifications<br>
over a given time period. Similarly,<br>
the product configuration baseline must<br>
utilise and be functionally interwoven<br>
with the structured design, based on sys<br>
tem engineering concepts.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;On the other hand, a constant flow<br>
of effective information must utilise<br>
and be functionally interwoven with the<br>
anticipated fourth generation<br>
equipment. In this regard, a constant fl<br>
ow of effective information<br>
necessitates that urgent consideration b<br>
e applied to the anticipated fourth<br>
generation equipment. For example, initi<br>
ation of critical subsystem<br>
development is further compounded when<br>
taking into account any discrete<br>
configuration mode.</code><br>
--[[User:Soukey|Soukey]] [[User talk:Soukey|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:17, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
== Uncredited crew ==
Removing uncredited crew from crew list. "Widely known as the Howell theme" still isn't a source, fwiw. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:13, July 20, 2017 (UTC)
* [[Theme Arrangement]] - [[Peter Howell]]
==The Valyard Is The Doctor==
"This is the longest televised multi-Doctor story, at approximately 135 minutes total."  Any thoughts on Trial of a Time Lord?[[Special:Contributions/165.225.76.55|165.225.76.55]]<sup>[[User talk:165.225.76.55#top|talk to me]]</sup> 14:28, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
== Framing ==
When Peri suggests the Timelords were being framed, the Doctor seems to not understand the word and Peri needs to explain.
(not sure whether the Doctor uses the verb in a later story, but would be interesting to know).

Latest revision as of 13:58, 11 September 2022

Myths[[edit source]]

I've removed this information from the Myths section:

It also could be interpreted to imply that the Doctor might have been able to have gotten Jamie's memories restored, and then somehow convinced an older Victoria to start travelling with him again. Decades later, the mini-episode TV: Time Crash provided a rationale for the Fifth Doctor having aged; the rationale could be extended to suggest why the Second Doctor appears aged here, and therefore imply that this story could have taken place much earlier in his incarnation - e.g., before War Games; however, that would not explain why the Second Doctor was working for the Time Lords. However [1] interview with Holmes would.

The statement is far too vague and does not state information, only a source.

Additionally the site linked does not provide sources for its information, merely stating in one of the sections for the Robert Holmes article that "This interview is from an old DWM." from which the author of the site has "cut parts out" of. Since we don't know what he's cut out, or from which DWM interview the information is from I don't think it's a valid source.

The information (whatever it is) can be included on the article, but it needs to be cited from its original source, not this second hand chopped up version. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:45, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Uncredited cast[[edit source]]

I've moved the uncredited cast to the talk page until they can be properly sourced (not IMDB). Shambala108 04:44, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Chimera? Camera, surely?165.225.76.55talk to me 10:55, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
And DWM 195 is the reference you were looking for.165.225.80.75talk to me 11:24, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

The Computer Display[[edit source]]

As a hobby, I like finding out where text shown on-screen comes from. In Part 2, about eight and a half minutes in, the Doctor accesses a computer and a wall of text flows very rapidly up the screen. This one was pretty interesting to me, but I don't know what info, if any, would be appropriate to be added to the actual wiki page.

The text was created using SIMP (Simplified Integrated Modular Prose) created by Brian J. Ford. It was published in 1971 in his book, Nonscience, (ISBN 0-7234-0449-6). SIMP can also be found on Mr Ford's own website[2].

SIMP is pretty simple to use. It consists of four modules, each containing ten entries, numbered 0–9. Choose or randomly generate a four digit number, one digit for each module. Then copy the corresponding text from each module, in order. A complete, grammatically-correct sentence will be created. An automatic technobabble generator written long before the term was coined.

Reversing the SIMP code, by paragraph, the digits entered were:
(The first digits are unknown, the start of the paragraph is already scrolled off the top of the screen when the display is shown.)
206 9825
0378 1015 8926
9740 520(?) (sentence stops abruptly, string too long error shown on-screen)
7616 2366 4614
2212 6242 8469
If the numbers have any meaning, it is beyond my Google skills. Being that it actually is a computer generated display, it is likely they truly are random.

A reproduction of the text as shown on screen. All oddly broken words are exactly as was displayed.
ective information adds overriding
performance constraints to the evolution
 of specifications over a given time
period. Thus, the incorporation of addit
ional mission constraints maximises
the probability of project success and m
inimises the cost and time required
for the preliminary qualification limit.
     In respect to specific goals the c
haracterisation of specific criteria
presents extremely interesting challenge
s to the greater flight-worthyness
concept. In particular, a primary inter-
relationship between system and/or
subsystem technologies must utilise and
be functionally interwoven with the
preliminary qualification limit. For ex
ample, the independent functional
principle maximises the probablility of p
roject sucess and minimises the cost
and time required for the evolution of s
pecifications for a given time period.
     Thus, any associated supporting el
ement necessitates that urgent
consideration be applied to the total sy
stem rationale. As a resultant
implication, a constant flow of effectiv
e information adds overriding

String too long @ 720
     Based on integral subsystem consid
erations, the product configuration
baseline must utilise and be functionall
y interwoven with the evolution of
specifications over a given time period.
 On the other hand, the
characterisation of specific criteria is
 further compounded when taking into
account the evolution of specifications
over a given time period. Similarly,
the product configuration baseline must
utilise and be functionally interwoven
with the structured design, based on sys
tem engineering concepts.
     On the other hand, a constant flow
of effective information must utilise
and be functionally interwoven with the
anticipated fourth generation
equipment. In this regard, a constant fl
ow of effective information
necessitates that urgent consideration b
e applied to the anticipated fourth
generation equipment. For example, initi
ation of critical subsystem
development is further compounded when
taking into account any discrete
configuration mode.

--Soukey 18:17, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Uncredited crew[[edit source]]

Removing uncredited crew from crew list. "Widely known as the Howell theme" still isn't a source, fwiw. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:13, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

The Valyard Is The Doctor[[edit source]]

"This is the longest televised multi-Doctor story, at approximately 135 minutes total." Any thoughts on Trial of a Time Lord?165.225.76.55talk to me 14:28, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Framing[[edit source]]

When Peri suggests the Timelords were being framed, the Doctor seems to not understand the word and Peri needs to explain. (not sure whether the Doctor uses the verb in a later story, but would be interesting to know).