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:::::: Totally unwarranted considering the book has never been in production. If it becomes a reality one day, or even goes into production, then perhaps. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC) | :::::: Totally unwarranted considering the book has never been in production. If it becomes a reality one day, or even goes into production, then perhaps. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC) | ||
::::::: Frankly, you don't ''know'' whether it's gone into production. A proof copy does exist, after all. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::::: That is why the burden of proof would be on you or whoever wants to describe it as being in/having been in production. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::::::: Sure, but remember also the concept of future-proofing in our rules. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::::::: Uh, surely we can't put ''false'' information onto this site just in case things change in the future? [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
Point of information, the burden of proof is on ''anyone'' who makes a claim, be it a positive or a negative claim. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
: Exactly as I said, in this situation the burden of proof is on those claiming this work was in production. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:57, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Er, no, it's not exactly as you said. You made a claim as well. | |||
:::the book has never been in production | |||
::Technically speaking, you should support this. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: The claim that I made was not a solid stance. I am simply saying that there is ''no evidence'' that the book has ever been in production - and actually there is a lot of evidence, posted in this very thread, that it was simply a hoax/joke. Therefore, as I pointed out, someone who was claiming that the book had been in production would have to satisfy the burden of proof as currently no evidence has been put forward. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::But that's not what you said, hence my point of information. If you want to amend your statement and admit you overreached I have no objections. I'm just noting, for future reference, that there's no distinction on who has a burden of proof. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::: I stand by what I said. This book has never been in production as has been proven with ''evidence'' in this thread, anyone who wants to argue against that suffers the burden of proof? Am I missing something here?? [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
Okay, that's a claim. You have to support that, technically speaking. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:24, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
: As I have said multiple times it has been supported with evidence multiple times in this very thread. This is growing frustrating. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::The evidence in this thread shows it has never ''existed'', not that it was never ''in production''. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: That is simply untrue. Something being a joke/hoax and the fact there has "never has been such a book" is strong evidence that the book was never in production. Far stronger than the... zero information gathered in favour of it having been in production. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::: Well to be fair, there is *lots of evidence* that this was in production; how ''reliable'' it is is up to interpretation. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 18:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
You're misunderstanding that quote, as evidenced by the selective removal of the word "Yet". I note also that | |||
:A proof copy does exist, after all | |||
And the edit summary for the Obverse Wiki is similarly tongue in cheek as there "never having been such a book. Yet." | |||
:"Wallowing..." does not exist and has not existed since approximately two months after publication. | |||
Dear lord, how did I get dragged into this, I don't actually care. It's just, you know, the principle. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:: Seems like arguing for the sake of arguing, where is this proof copy everyone is talking about? You can't offer up just your word about a proof copy none of us have seen. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: It's literally the image for the anthology on the FP Wiki. (99% sure.) <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 18:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::: You've got to be joking...! That cannot be considered proof of anything. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
There's a lot going on here that is way over my head, but I just want to know the status of [[User:NateBumber]]'s comment from January 2017 that [[Stuart Douglas]] asked for us to not make a page for this. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Happy to clarify: Stuart's comment regarded the ''Wallowing'' page on the Obverse wiki (which he and I both administrate), not on this wiki. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:: Naturally his issues with the subject can be taken to be universal between Wikis, unless we're being pedantic. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: No, I don't think that follows, nor do I appreciate the preemptive accusation of pedantry. Obverse Wiki is run at least in part by Stuart Douglas as a way for people to learn more about products from Obverse Books. Tardis Wiki is not. There are plenty of places where we necessarily won't align. | |||
::: Personally I don't think we should have a page for ''Wallowing'', but that has nothing to do with the Obverse Wiki decision. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 20:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::: Why don't you think we should have a page for ''Wallowing''? [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
He addressed the issue above. We don't discuss rumors on the wiki and this is a relatively obscure one in comparison to others. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I disagree with that. This rumor, as far as I can tell, has been perpetrated by many people with official ties to ''Faction Paradox''. Moreover, it is notable to a novella covered by this wiki (as previously mentioned by Scrooge). Also, just because we don't currently cover rumours doesn't mean we shouldn't. Covering rumours spread by people with official connections seems pretty reasonable to me, not to mention the fact that I'm sure it would be helpful to many of our readers who are perhaps confused by some rumour or other, or at least interested in them. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
