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== The Second Dalek War and the Dalek annuals ==
== The Second Dalek War and the Dalek annuals ==
Hi there. First off, great work on renovating the page on the [[Second Dalek War]]! Secondly, I saw that the reference to ''[[The Mechanical Planet (comic story)|The Mechanical Planet]]'' remained. I have an abandoned draft for a [[27th century Dalek invasion]] article at [[User:Borisashton/Sandbox5]] because I originally thought that the two conflicts were irreconcilable as the same. Do you have any thoughts on the matter with your evidently expansive knowledge? --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:55, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
Hi there. First off, great work on renovating the page on the [[Second Dalek War]]! Secondly, I saw that the reference to ''[[The Mechanical Planet (comic story)|The Mechanical Planet]]'' remained. I have an abandoned draft for a [[27th century Dalek invasion]] article at [[User:Borisashton/Sandbox5]] because I originally thought that the two conflicts were irreconcilable as the same. Do you have any thoughts on the matter with your evidently expansive knowledge? --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:55, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks! Admittedly, the rewrite was primarily an expansion of ''Frontier'', ''Planet'' and ''Prisoner''; I'd like to go back and add more about [[Abslom Daak]] and the [[Virgin New Adventures]] if I get the chance, but I don't yet know a lot about them and very soon I won't have the free time. But with regards to ''The Mechanical Planet'', I left the intro there for now but obviously it's that "two hundred year peace" part just plain doesn't work and needs addressed. But if time can be rewritten, one suggestion, maybe slightly head-canon-y, is that the Second Dalek War never occurred until the (post-27th century invasion) Daleks made advances in time travel and changed history, most likely after the [[Dalek Civil War]]. The 25th and 27th century invasions are both led by the [[Golden Emperor]], so they seem to take place earlier in their history than the era of Gold and Grey Daleks (let alone Bronze). ''[[The Dalek Conquests (audio story)|The Dalek Conquests]]'' at least suggests they used time travel to go back to this era. The best offer at an explanation that I can find, and seems to run along the above lines, comes from ''[[The Dalek Handbook]]''. It may not directly acknowledge the Annuals but here's what it has to say about inconsistencies in the era: {{quote|The new generation of post-Civil War Daleks abandoned the ruins of Skaro and once more swarmed across the galaxies. Did they fulfil the ultimate logic of the Emperor's plans for gaining supremacy by temporal manipulation? This might have meant overwriting their race's own timeline, restaging past battles, perhaps even exterminating their own earlier selves. Or were the Daleks that menaced Draconia and Earth in the 26th century ''always'' from millennia into the future? Were there, in fact, two types of Dalek from different eras, co-existing throughout this time? With the Daleks so reckless with their own and other races' timelines, it is impossible to be certain.|''The Dalek Handbook''}}
:Its a reference book, so not "valid", but in the absence of a more detailed explanation (that I know of), I'd say it's worth at least something. So, if the Dalek Annual invasions are to be revisited, the best approach might be to treat them as separate conflicts to the Second Dalek War, without direct attempts at in-universe reconciliation. But at the same time, all relevant articles should mention the dating inconsistencies, with reference to the above extract included in each behind-the-scenes section. [[User:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing|TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing]] [[User talk:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:37, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
:: Okay. I don't have plans to revisit that draft anytime soon but I could publish it as is with an {{tlx|update}} tag if you feel you could do something with it. Another thing to note is that the Daleks also engaged the Mechonoids during their 27th century invasion, which were abandoned because of the [[Third Dalek War|''Third'' Dalek War]]. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:01, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
::: I went ahead and created the [[27th century Dalek invasion]] page. It's missing info on the last couple of stories from ''[[The Dalek World]]''. I've also omitted aftermath and behind-the-scenes sections because how all these conflicts intersect with each other seem to be your expertise and I don't have the time now anyway. Please edit as you see fit. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:38, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
:::: Looks good! I'll have a swing at it soon. I'll also see if I can work out something from the Mechonoid minefield; I addressed it slighlty on the Third Dalek War page, so might be able to use that as a start point. [[User:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing|TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing]] [[User talk:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:45, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
:: If I may but in, we should not underestimate the fact that the Annual-era Daleks ''already'' use time travel in their campaigns, as seen in ''[[The Secret of the Emperor (comic story)|The Secret of the Emperor]]''. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:45, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
::: I reorganised the SDW page to recontextualise the Annual invasions,so you can see what you think of it as an example. I made sure not to imply the Daleks had no time travel pre-''Frontier'', and also noted that the ''Conquests'' narrator was giving suggestions and not concrete explanations. [[User:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing|TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing]] [[User talk:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:45, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
== DWBIT ==
Hey! Since your input was instrumental to its resolution and that resolution involves ''work being done'', thought I'd make sure you see the closure of [[Thread:264328]]. Of course, you don't ''have'' to do anything, but from what you said in that thread, I thought you might want to help with the effort to get that area of the Wiki cleaned up. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:11, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
:That's nice to hear - invalid or otherwise, ''Dalek Wars'' always struck me as an unsightly and neglected gap when it came to the wiki. I'd like to help out if given the chance, and do have all 70 issues of DWBIT stored away. However, I recently joined the Army. I still like to pop over to the wiki from time to time to see how things have changed but I don't have the free time I once had (or a computer or laptop to hand - I'm typing this on a phone right now and don't fancy it) to do any editing. I should be due leave for a bit after initial training ends in a couple of weeks but can't guarantee regular activity for the foreseeable future. Although for now, I can offer [[User:TheCoud'veBeenKing/Sandbox III]] as a kind of suggested story template if that's of any help. The exact layout might need a bit of tinkering to fit the new policy, but it should help source a number of other pages that need (re-)creating. --[[User:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing|TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing]] [[User talk:TheCoud&#39;veBeenKing#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:55, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
:: Best of luck in training and everything afterwards! – [[User:NateBumber|<span title="User:NateBumber">N8</span>]] ([[User_talk:NateBumber|<span title="Leave me a note">☎</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/NateBumber|<span title="Spy on my edits">👁️</span>]]) 16:03, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
== For(u)m Letter ==
Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at [[Forum talk:Index]] and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Story titles[[edit source]]

Hi! Please note that it is not necessary to pipe-switch story titles (unless there is another article with the same name). Most story titles have redirects that take them to the page. Thanks! Shambala108 14:16, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Page move[[edit source]]

Hi! Please do not move/rename article names; it is preferred that an admin move pages. When a non-admin moves a page, he leaves a redirect behind, which in most cases is not necessary. Non-admins don't have the ability to delete pages, so we end up with a lot of useless redirects.

What you can do instead is one of two actions:

  • Use a {{rename}} tag that includes the name you think the article should have. This is used when there ought to be a discussion about the name change.
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Thanks. Shambala108 14:57, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

WWII[[edit source]]

Just stopping by to give a big WOW at the work you've done on World War II! It's almost daunting to see that you've read, seen, or listened to every Doctor Who story involving the War :) Although I noticed you removed a reference to Warlords of Utopia ... was there any particular reason for that, or would you be okay with me re-adding it? NateBumber 03:17, August 30, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Admittedly I haven't read or listened through everything there - there's quite a bit that I've just dipped in to and taken out small details (mainly novelisations) or added something from a different wiki page. It's like archive diving while writing a history book. No reason the Warlords of Utopia bit went. Must have been overlooked and lost in a big copy-paste. You may re-add it at your leisure. --TheCoud'veBeenKing 11:20, August 30, 2017 (UTC)

The Second Dalek War and the Dalek annuals[[edit source]]

Hi there. First off, great work on renovating the page on the Second Dalek War! Secondly, I saw that the reference to The Mechanical Planet remained. I have an abandoned draft for a 27th century Dalek invasion article at User:Borisashton/Sandbox5 because I originally thought that the two conflicts were irreconcilable as the same. Do you have any thoughts on the matter with your evidently expansive knowledge? --Borisashton 14:55, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Admittedly, the rewrite was primarily an expansion of Frontier, Planet and Prisoner; I'd like to go back and add more about Abslom Daak and the Virgin New Adventures if I get the chance, but I don't yet know a lot about them and very soon I won't have the free time. But with regards to The Mechanical Planet, I left the intro there for now but obviously it's that "two hundred year peace" part just plain doesn't work and needs addressed. But if time can be rewritten, one suggestion, maybe slightly head-canon-y, is that the Second Dalek War never occurred until the (post-27th century invasion) Daleks made advances in time travel and changed history, most likely after the Dalek Civil War. The 25th and 27th century invasions are both led by the Golden Emperor, so they seem to take place earlier in their history than the era of Gold and Grey Daleks (let alone Bronze). The Dalek Conquests at least suggests they used time travel to go back to this era. The best offer at an explanation that I can find, and seems to run along the above lines, comes from The Dalek Handbook. It may not directly acknowledge the Annuals but here's what it has to say about inconsistencies in the era:

The new generation of post-Civil War Daleks abandoned the ruins of Skaro and once more swarmed across the galaxies. Did they fulfil the ultimate logic of the Emperor's plans for gaining supremacy by temporal manipulation? This might have meant overwriting their race's own timeline, restaging past battles, perhaps even exterminating their own earlier selves. Or were the Daleks that menaced Draconia and Earth in the 26th century always from millennia into the future? Were there, in fact, two types of Dalek from different eras, co-existing throughout this time? With the Daleks so reckless with their own and other races' timelines, it is impossible to be certain.'The Dalek Handbook

Its a reference book, so not "valid", but in the absence of a more detailed explanation (that I know of), I'd say it's worth at least something. So, if the Dalek Annual invasions are to be revisited, the best approach might be to treat them as separate conflicts to the Second Dalek War, without direct attempts at in-universe reconciliation. But at the same time, all relevant articles should mention the dating inconsistencies, with reference to the above extract included in each behind-the-scenes section. TheCoud'veBeenKing 18:37, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I don't have plans to revisit that draft anytime soon but I could publish it as is with an {{update}} tag if you feel you could do something with it. Another thing to note is that the Daleks also engaged the Mechonoids during their 27th century invasion, which were abandoned because of the Third Dalek War. --Borisashton 20:01, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
I went ahead and created the 27th century Dalek invasion page. It's missing info on the last couple of stories from The Dalek World. I've also omitted aftermath and behind-the-scenes sections because how all these conflicts intersect with each other seem to be your expertise and I don't have the time now anyway. Please edit as you see fit. --Borisashton 23:38, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
Looks good! I'll have a swing at it soon. I'll also see if I can work out something from the Mechonoid minefield; I addressed it slighlty on the Third Dalek War page, so might be able to use that as a start point. TheCoud'veBeenKing 00:45, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
If I may but in, we should not underestimate the fact that the Annual-era Daleks already use time travel in their campaigns, as seen in The Secret of the Emperor. --Scrooge MacDuck 23:45, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
I reorganised the SDW page to recontextualise the Annual invasions,so you can see what you think of it as an example. I made sure not to imply the Daleks had no time travel pre-Frontier, and also noted that the Conquests narrator was giving suggestions and not concrete explanations. TheCoud'veBeenKing 00:45, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

DWBIT[[edit source]]

Hey! Since your input was instrumental to its resolution and that resolution involves work being done, thought I'd make sure you see the closure of Thread:264328. Of course, you don't have to do anything, but from what you said in that thread, I thought you might want to help with the effort to get that area of the Wiki cleaned up. --Scrooge MacDuck 15:11, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

That's nice to hear - invalid or otherwise, Dalek Wars always struck me as an unsightly and neglected gap when it came to the wiki. I'd like to help out if given the chance, and do have all 70 issues of DWBIT stored away. However, I recently joined the Army. I still like to pop over to the wiki from time to time to see how things have changed but I don't have the free time I once had (or a computer or laptop to hand - I'm typing this on a phone right now and don't fancy it) to do any editing. I should be due leave for a bit after initial training ends in a couple of weeks but can't guarantee regular activity for the foreseeable future. Although for now, I can offer User:TheCoud'veBeenKing/Sandbox III as a kind of suggested story template if that's of any help. The exact layout might need a bit of tinkering to fit the new policy, but it should help source a number of other pages that need (re-)creating. --TheCoud'veBeenKing 15:55, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
Best of luck in training and everything afterwards! – N8 (/👁️) 16:03, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

For(u)m Letter[[edit source]]

Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at Forum talk:Index and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. Najawin 09:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)