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| | According to every official Doctor Who guide where the stories are all numbered, [[A Good Man Goes to War (TV story)|A Good Man Goes to War]] and [[Let's Kill Hitler (TV story)|Let's Kill Hitler]] are both listed as two separate stories rather than one 2-part story. The same goes for [[The Girl Who Died (TV story)|The Girl Who Died]] and [[The Woman Who Lived (TV story)|The Woman Who Lived]]. I can see how the mistake was made with the latter two since they both share similar titles, but for the two series 6 episodes, there's nothing between them to indicate that they're two parts of one story, so what's the reasoning behind it? |
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| == Enemy ==
| | PS, the Wikipedia pages for the episodes all have them numbered correctly, so if you need help figuring out what the numbers are, that's the best place to look. [[User:Kahler Bill|Kahler Bill]] [[User talk:Kahler Bill|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:27, May 9, 2016 (UTC) |
| I was wondering, could we add the enemy to the infobox? Because we already have the enemy confirmed as the "Tessalecta" (or however you spell it). [[User:TheTARDIScontroller|TheTARDIScontroller]] 14:46, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
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| :It's not confirmed until the episode broadcasts. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:13, August 20, 2011 (UTC) | | :This matter is under discussion at [[Thread:183627]]. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:34, May 9, 2016 (UTC) |
| ::<Never mind, looks like I was looking at a cached version of the page>. [[Special:Contributions/74.96.106.141|74.96.106.141]] 18:13, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Full cast list == | | == Janitor/Cleaner/Teselecta == |
| The full cast list had been confirmed:
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| http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/lets-kill-hitler-cast-gallery-24623.htm
| | Okay, I am seriously confused and would LOVE to know this one piece of information. |
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| | In this episode, the teselecta first appears as a janitor or cleaner. The person playing this cleaner is uncredited, but I realised that I knew their face from somewhere, and when I was watching part of [[Aliens of London (TV story)|Aliens of London]] today, I realised that the soldier who shoots Porkins the Alien is played by the same guy. Does anyone know who he is, why he is not in the uncredited cast section and why he has appeared in two Doctor Who stories (that I know of)? Is he a friend of the cast and crew, or just someone who happens to be in the area many times? I NEED TO KNOW!!! (thanks!) [[User:LawOfTheSeas|While other places may have mice or mosquitoes, we have... DRAGONS! (LawOfTheSeas)]] [[User talk:LawOfTheSeas|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:16, April 14, 2018 (UTC) |
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| [[User:DuduDoctor|DuduDoctor]] 08:07, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Again, these things can change upon broadcast, which is why we wait until the broadcast of the episode before adding things like this. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Well, Rose, Martha & Donna did'' technically'' appear.
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| :Anyone else have a mini fanboy moment when rose popped up?
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| == And Hitler? ==
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| Can someone fix this statement "the greatest war criminal in the Universe. And Hitler". First of all the period should be a comma and it's Adolf Hitler not And Hitler
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| :Read it again. It means that the Doctor meets the greatest war criminal in the Universe, and he also meets Hitler. Two different people. [[User:DuduDoctor|DuduDoctor]] 08:10, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| Well, this is the official synopsis and it's left as its own sentence for emphasis, not to be grammatically correct.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 10:15, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| I'm glad that someone besides me cares about conjunctions being used to join clauses without periods in between, even if that person doesn't care to sign his posts. However, it's much funnier with the period. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 22:08, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| :I used to care, being a Grammar Nazi and all (hah, how about that?), but it's acceptable to now. It's fine, and that's how it's supposed to be anyway. [[User:ProtoKun7|ProtoKun7]] 19:34, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Locked? ==
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| I don't think this article should be locked, and instead semi-protected. Do you not trust users and only admins? I really want to edit this article. Could it just be semi-protected instead? That would be more plausible. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 12:31, August 25, 2011 (UTC) | |
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| :It seems to be standard procedure here to lock the article for the week before broadcast. Write the changes and hold them for 60 hours. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 12:41, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::This is because of our [[Tardis:Spoiler policy|spoiler]] and [[Tardis:Protection policy|protection polices]]. If you want to edit the page, you can leave your edits/suggests here on the talk where we will review them and add them to the page, judging that they are inside the polices. I do apologise to your for any inconvenience, angry or upset this may cause you. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 12:48, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| It's not that you aren't trusted, it's just that registered users in general (myself included) are liable to adding spoilers. I'm not sure what changes you actually what to make that don't offend [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]]. The article as it now stands is exactly how it should look prior to broadcast.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 13:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| Rumors. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 13:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| :::Well, you're talking about the practical side of things, MM, and how a user can respond to a locked page. Looking in it in those terms — ''put it here and we'll review it for suitability'' — does tend to make it unintentionally seem like we don't trust our users.
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| :::So let me say this quite firmly: '''It's not a matter of not trusting our users. It's a matter of not trusting ''Moffat'', RTD, the BBC, and anyone else making our favourite shows.''' They all routinely lie to the press, or the press that is ''usually'' right (like DWM) get it wrong, and we're left with egg on our faces. This is an encyclopedia. Our goal is to report accurately on '''the past'''. It is '''not''' our job to predict or describe '''the future'''.
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| :::This policy derives from the experience in series 5 where ''The Vampires of Vemice'' had a "confirmed" name of ''The Vampires From Venice'' just a few days before broadcast. When it turned out to be ''The Vampires '''of''' Venice''', we had to scramble around and change all the links that had been made. It also comes from the experience with ''The Pandorica Opens'', which no one knew was actually the name of a painting in the DWU. Thus, we had to scramble and change references to the TV story to ''The Pandorica Opens (TV story)'' in order to comply with [[tardis:disambiguation policy|disambiguation policy]]. Moreover, it comes from the '''many, many''' times that DWM have apparently been speaking with the authority of the production company, but then turned out to be completely wrong — such as when they recently told us that [[Esther Drummond]] was actually Esther Katsui.
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| :::The goal of the [[tardis:spoiler policy|spoiler policy]] — which is what's locking this article — is to prevent people from wasting a lot of time with misinformation apparently supplied by a reliable source. While it's very unlikely that the name of this well-publicised ep will change at broadcast, it ''is'' possible that ''Let's Kill Hitler'' is the name of a book or movie in the episode. Personally, I think the article has been created '''prematurely'''. I don't even think it should exist in a locked form at this point. I think it shouldn't be started until — at the earliest — the credits roll on the premiere broadcast on BBC One. That way, it will have been possible to have seen the title flash on the screen.
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| :::Think of this policy as the "Peter Davidson Rule" — after the time when [[Peter Davison]] was famously said to be Peter ''Davidson'' on the cover of DWM, prior to the transmission of his first episode. If DWM can make a typo with such a well-known actor — and on a cover that proclaimed them an award-winning magazine, no less — then they simply cannot be trusted as accurate spellers. Spelling is at the very heart of a wiki, because links depend upon having the precisely correct spelling of a topic. Waiting until an episode is broadcast won't completely eliminate our spelling errors, but it does give us at least the '''chance''' of getting the article name correct from the start.
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| :::Thus, the basic principle at work here is that mistakes are minimised if the episode page is closed until it's possible that someone will have '''actually seen''' the story. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''13:21:11 Thu '''25 Aug 2011 </span>
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| :::[This message has been attempted two times, both times encountering an edit conflict. Apologies if it doesn't flow from the previous comment as originally intended.]
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| Czechout, it seems to me that the reasons you cite for locking the main articles about stories until they actually run is a good idea. If it is not already some place in to which people can be referred, it would be a good idea to write it up and place it. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 22:55, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Main image to be an episode still ==
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| I think until tommorow, we should add an episode still for the main image, don't you agree? Here's one I had in mind: [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 16:03, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
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| I'd rather wait 24 hours than add a low quality image. It's not like there's any rush to create a superb pre-broadcast article. This should just sit as the framework, ready for the post-broadcast edits to flood in.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 16:07, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
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| I don't mean to argue with you Skittles, but 1) I sorta agree with BroadcastCorp and 2) Honestly, that pic he put up is actually really good quality. [[User:TheTARDIScontroller|TheTARDIScontroller]] 00:30, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Just wait; there's only a day to go, and it's not like there's a rush, is there? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 01:31, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| Just to note, I wasn't knocking the actual "quality" of the image - as in, how non-blurry, grainy etc. it was, but rather the content. I'm sure there will be many, many images that better sum up the episode.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 07:10, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Semi-protect this article? ==
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| This article deperately needs to be semi-protected, or for short, protected. It's a high traffic page. I'm depending on an admin to do this. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 20:24, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Nope, the new Torchwood story didn't, so we've decide to see what happens to this page when it's not protected straight after broadcast. There never any need to single out new and unregistered Users. This is to make every one feel equal and feel they can edit the page. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 21:20, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Gun ==
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| Now I may be wrong, but I'm sure that the gun that hittler pulls out of his belt, is a standard german officers lugar, but when rory is holding it, its a revolver, is that a production error, or did I just miss see it? [[User:General MGD 109|General MGD 109]] 21:17, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Actually no, Hitler draws the revolver. Why Hitler would carry a revolver that looks like a British model, no idea, nor do I remember Hitler ever carrying a side arm.[[User:Var'jhar'rai|Var'jhar'rai]] 02:28, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Production errors ==
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| The entry on production errors is wrong. The gun in use is a revolver, not a semi-automatic, which means the empty brass stays in the drum instead of ejecting the spent brass. Hitler fires his shots, the doctor then removes the brass from the drum, effectively unloading the revolver. The brass we get to see in the unloading scene is actually empty. [[User:Var'jhar'rai|Var'jhar'rai]] 02:31, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Gun with bullets in it NOT a production error ==
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| Just because he fired bullets doesn't mean it should be empty. For those who aren't familiar with how guns work, the shell stays in the gun. And if you look closely, some of the shells are show themselves empty when the doctor empties them. The production error should be removed. [[User:Rawrgoaway|Rawrgoaway]] 05:54, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
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| == References to non-canon 'Curse of Fatal Death'? ==
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| Haven't stuck this in because I'm not sure whether 'non-canon' sources count etc, but I think it may be worth mentioning that the whole "I know that you know" conversation between River and the Doctor in this episode is reminiscient of a similar exchange between the Doctor and the Master in the Moffat penned '''The Curse of Fatal Death' [[User:Baziel|Baziel]] 14:25, August 28, 2011 (UTC)''
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| There seems to be a lot of people who want to force 'Curse' into Canon. It's a lot of fun, but c'mon. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 03:42, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| That's why I highlighted that I wasn't sure if it counted (and hence why I put it here and not on the actual article). I'm certainly not trying to 'force it into canon' (is anyone ''really'' trying to do that? - ''c'mon, that would be ridiculous''. lol) I just think the fact the same writer has used the same narrative trick before (and under the same banner) might have been worth a mention. It's perfectly fine that it's not allowed under canon policy ;-)[[User:Baziel|Baziel]] 19:40, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Car Mels steals ==
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| I wrote that it was a Ferrari. Someone just changed it to a Corvette. I'm not a car guy, but if there's someone around who is and can confirm one way or t'other....[[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 03:44, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| Though it's in a shade of red often associated with Ferraris, it's definitely not one. I'm sure there are a couple of shots in the episode when you can see the badge and they make a point of it in the confidential - it's a Chevrolet Corvette Stingray . [[User:Baziel|Baziel]] 19:52, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| Baziel's right. It's a Corvette. [[Special:Contributions/173.174.212.164|173.174.212.164]] 00:02, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Sound Effects ==
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| I'm not sure anyone is going to back me up on this, but I just watched Mels's entrance side-by-side with Amy's first encounter with the star whale in The Beast Below and as I suspected, the sound effects for the car "striking" the Doctor and the star whale's tentacle thing striking the ground are identical. As far as I know that sound is only used in those two episodes so I was wondering if it's worth mentioning... [[User:KalebPSpector|KalebPSpector]] 22:47, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| For the last several decades, the BBC has been collecting and compliling sound effects. It is no surprise that something as generic as a "car strike" could be repeated. All BBC productions have access to the same sound FX library, and using a "stock sound" is often less expensive and more effecient for the audio engineers. Pay close attention, and you'll notice several repetitions of screams, crowd noise, and foley effects etc. across all BBC productions. [[User:DoctorOfWho|DoctorOfWho]] 22:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/75.174.8.105|75.174.8.105]] 22:56, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| == musical cues ==
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| As River roars away on the motorcycle, there is a heavy beat that sounds like it may be a reference to the theme from the TV show ''Mission Impossible''. Contrariwise, it may simply be one of Murray Gold's stings. Does anyone but me feel the former? [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 01:45, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
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| == An error I noticed ==
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| The last sentence on the first paragraph of the page states that this is the first time the doctor dies and is not able to regenerate. This is incorrect. The ninth doctor was eaten and then resurrected in the episode Father's Day.
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| ==Enemies - River?==
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| I noticed that River has been moved out of the 'enemy' box and into 'companion'. I disagree with this; despite the fact that she's a companion in every other episode, she actively tries to kill the Doctor throughout this episode and nearly succeeds. Because of those actions, shouldn't she be classed as an 'enemy'? By this logic, she should also be removed from the 'featuring' tab from [[Silence in the Library (TV story)| Silence In The Library]] and it's [[Forest of the Dead (TV story)| succeeding episode]] and moved into the companions tab, as she's being a lot less murderous and a lot more helpful (due to her experience as a companion) in those episodes then in this one. | |
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| ==Paradox==
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| Would there be a paradox for the fact that no one let Hitler out of the closet.[[Special:Contributions/24.2.243.22|24.2.243.22]]<sup>[[User talk:24.2.243.22#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:35, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
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| :Does it matter? Paradoxes are something fairly normal in the Doctor Who. But I can't see how one would be created. They travelled back in time, locked Hitler in a closet and left him there. What difference does that make? Hitler in the closet isn't why they travel back to WWII in the first place, and it doesn't affect their timeline in any real way. Besides, it's not like he's locked in the closet and left their to starve to death, changing the future in all sorts of crazy ways. It's not like they are the only people who can remove him, it's a ''closet''. I can't see any paradox here, and even if there was one I'm not sure it would be worth starting on the article page. Remember, that's what this talk page is for, to discuss the related article. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:18, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
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| Now that I think about it I agree
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| ==River's x-ray shows two hearts?==
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| Are we sure those aren't just lungs? [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:14, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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| I agree, I don't think there's a clear enough picture of that teeny tiny x-ray (or whatever) to say they're hearts. --[[User:Merkuri|Merkuri]] [[User talk:Merkuri|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:50, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
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| == Error in credits section ==
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| I tried editing the Production Assistant tab when I noticed it was displaying an error message, but I don't know how to correct it. There are 2 assistants but the syntax is not displaying both. Can someone see into this problem? --[[User:Thunderush|Thunderush]] [[User talk:Thunderush|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:56, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
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| == Main Enemy ==
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| Shouldn't the main enemy be listed as Melody, not the Antibodies? Because when it comes down to it she was the main villain of the episode. [[User:Meganerd18|Meganerd18]] [[User talk:Meganerd18|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
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| Now that Time of The Doctor has aired and we know that the Doctor was out of regenerations, is it more likely that the Interface's statement of 'Regeneration Disabled' alluded to that fact and not a condition of the poison?
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| == Two parter? ==
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| Why is this considered a two parter? Most publications do not consider it one; it also has little to do in relation to the story of the previous episode - considerable time is implied to pass in between this and A Good Man Goes to War. Why create a discrepancy between publications? [[Special:Contributions/86.130.176.151|86.130.176.151]]<sup>[[User talk:86.130.176.151#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:29, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
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| :While it doesn't answer your question, you can find a discussion related to this at [[thread:164173]].--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 19:04, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
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