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|type = Pre-universe beings
|type       = Pre-universe beings
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|first = The Web Planet (TV story)
|first      = The Web Planet (TV story)
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|appearances = [[Great Old Ones - list of appearances|'''''see list''''']]
|appearances = [[Great Old Ones - list of appearances|'''''see list''''']]
|individuals = [[Nestene Consciousness]]
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The '''Elder Gods''' were [[Great Old One]]s who were more active in the universe, playing cosmic games with each other using the [[dimension]] known as [[the Board]]. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Gods and Monsters (audio story)|Gods and Monsters]]'') The Elder Gods included the [[Animus]], the [[Great Intelligence]], the [[Mi'en Kalarash]], [[Derleth]], the [[Karnas'koi]], the [[Celestial Toymaker]], [[Kai'lizakia]] ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Black and White (audio story)|Black and White]]'') [[Fenric]], [[Weyland]], ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Gods and Monsters (audio story)|Gods and Monsters]]'') [[Moloch (Protect and Survive)|Moloch]], "[[Albert Marsden]]" and "[[Peggy Marsden]]" ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Protect and Survive (audio story)|Protect and Survive]]'') [[Gods of Ragnarok|Ragnarok]], [[To'Koth]], and [[Ginny Greenteeth]]. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs and Wonders (audio story)|Signs and Wonders]]'')
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The '''Great Old Ones''', sometimes known simply as the '''Old Ones''', were beings that existed [[Pre-universe|before the universe]]. More a pantheon than a species, the Old Ones included the [[Elder God]]s, [[Toymaker]]s, [[Guardians of Time]] and even "[[Greater Old One]]s" that may include the [[Grace]].


== Overview ==
They were able to create [[time storm]]s and lock away people's memories. An Elder God could not die in the normal universe, as the energies released would damage space and time. As the [[Seventh Doctor]] transported a dying To'Koth back to the Board, the [[Time Vortex]] itself was turned inside out. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs and Wonders (audio story)|Signs and Wonders]]'')
The Great Old Ones were unimaginably ancient creatures that were preserved in [[human]]ity's [[race memory]] as their worst nightmares. They were conceived as creatures that spread evil, chaos and destruction wherever they went. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Roof of the World (audio story)|The Roof of the World]]'')
 
[[Quantum mnemonics]] was known to be the language of the Old Ones, as they represented physical laws of the Universe that preceded the current one. It was considered the Old Ones' equivalent of [[Block Transfer Computation]]s and allowed them to rewrite reality on the most fundamental of levels. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') It was known that the Great Old Ones were incapable of being killed in the normal dimension. They also knew of the [[Time Lord]]s and considered them a threat. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[White Darkness (novel)|White Darkness]]'')
 
== Biology and power ==
The Old Ones originally possessed physical bodies in [[Great Old Ones' universe|their own universe]]. Upon entering [[N-Space]], they received new bodies that may or may not have had heads, ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') and some lost theirs when they ran from the [[Fendahl]], abandoning their forms and letting their minds drift into the [[Time Vortex]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[White Darkness (novel)|White Darkness]]'') Afterwards, they could assume a form for a brief period but not forever, their new natural state being a collective [[consciousness]], possessing neither form nor substance. They existed between [[dimension]]s where they created [[universe]]s, planes, and whatever else suited them, ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Divided Loyalties (novel)|Divided Loyalties]]'') including the [[Land of Fiction]] ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Conundrum (novel)|Conundrum]]'') and the [[Celestial Toyroom]], which the Toymaker created and resided in, able to step outside but never fully leave. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Magic Mousetrap (audio story)|The Magic Mousetrap]]'')
 
They sought to return to their bodies and had a third part of their form which existed in the [[Outer Planes|outer dimensional planes]] which some believed was where they originated from. They could not be killed in the normal dimension, ([[PROSE]]: ''[[White Darkness (novel)|White Darkness]]'') the Toymaker explaining that were he to die he would simply reappear. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Solitaire (audio story)|Solitaire]]'') They couldn't die as the energies their bodies were composed of were not meant to exist in the normal universe, and were they to decay, the released energy would rip apart space and time. They could only safely die in their own universe, or [[the Board]], which caused the [[Time Vortex]] to turn inside out. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs and Wonders (audio story)|Signs and Wonders]]'')
 
The sensors of a [[TARDIS]] noted the body of an Old One appeared as a massive quantity of energy which was the equivalent of twenty billion [[nuclear weapon|nuclear bombs]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'')
 
While they were considered an actual race, ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Twilight of the Gods (MA novel)|Twilight of the Gods]]'') their biology differed between individuals. The [[Celestial Toymaker]] carried his own mass with him, projected from his original universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Nightmare Fair (audio story)|The Nightmare Fair]]'') He and the Gods of Ragnarok maintained humanoid appearances, as did the Guardians, although [[Rassilon]] theorised that they took on familiar forms to whoever they appeared before. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Divided Loyalties (novel)|Divided Loyalties]]'') The Animus, Intelligence, and Fenric were noted for having multi-limbed bodies, a form the [[Nestene]]s generally took; although an Old One, the Nestenes were their own race, albeit a "singular entity" because of their [[hive mind]].
 
The powers of the Old Ones varied between individuals, but included [[time travel]] or following someone in time, ([[TV]]: ''[[The Web of Fear (TV story)|The Web of Fear]]'', ''[[The Curse of Fenric (TV story)|The Curse of Fenric]]'', [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Well-Mannered War (novel)|The Well-Mannered War]]'') existing in multiple time zones, ([[TV]]: ''[[The Greatest Show in the Galaxy (TV story)|The Greatest Show in the Galaxy]]'') [[possession]], ([[TV]]: ''[[The Abominable Snowmen (TV story)|The Abominable Snowmen]]'', ''[[The Web of Fear (TV story)|The Web of Fear]]'', ''[[The Curse of Fenric (TV story)|The Curse of Fenric]]'') creating [[thunder]] and [[lightning]], ([[TV]]: ''[[The Greatest Show in the Galaxy (TV story)|The Greatest Show in the Galaxy]]'', ''[[The Curse of Fenric (TV story)|The Curse of Fenric]]'') re-animating dead bodies, ([[TV]]: ''[[The Greatest Show in the Galaxy (TV story)|The Greatest Show in the Galaxy]]'') generating [[fog]]/[[fungus]] and [[web]]bing, ([[TV]]: ''[[The Web Planet (TV story)|The Web Planet]]'', ''[[The Web of Fear (TV story)|The Web of Fear]]'') stopping a [[TARDIS]] in flight, ([[TV]]: ''[[The Web of Fear (TV story)|The Web of Fear]]'') extending an individual's life, ([[TV]]: ''[[The Abominable Snowmen (TV story)|The Abominable Snowmen]]'', [[PROSE]]: ''[[White Darkness (novel)|White Darkness]]'', [[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Nightmare Fair (audio story)|The Nightmare Fair]]'') and manipulating and relocating timelines. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Protect and Survive (audio story)|Protect and Survive]]'')
 
== Society ==
Before arriving in [[N-Space]], the Old Ones were thought to be the equivalent of [[Time Lord]]s in their universe. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') While many Old Ones were imprisoned or located elsewhere, a group known as the [[Elder God]]s occasionally came together, usually to watch each other play games on [[the Board]]. Despite their great power, they needed the lesser creatures of the universe to give them perspective in spite of their hatred for them. To them, the games were all that mattered to make existence worthwhile. Among themselves, it was the general consensus that Fenric was too dangerous, even by their standards. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Gods and Monsters (audio story)|Gods and Monsters]]'') They had previously banded together to lock the [[Eidolon]] away in another dimension, fearful of its ambition. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Beyond the Ultimate Adventure (audio story)|Beyond the Ultimate Adventure]]'')
 
Despite also playing games, some of the Elder Gods thought of the [[Eternal]]s as leading pathetic existences. Within the Old One pantheon were the [[Guardians]], ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Divided Loyalties (novel)|Divided Loyalties]]'') the [[Grace]], ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Chaos Pool (audio story)|The Chaos Pool]]'') and reference has been made to the survivors of the pre-universe, including "a handful of baby godlings and [[Great Intelligence]]s." ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')
 
== History ==
According to the [[Time Lord]]s, the beings that became known as the Old Ones did not originate from this [[universe]], but the one before it. They were originally a powerful race of beings who were the equivalent of the Time Lords in their native space. However, when their Universe ended, the Old Ones shunted themselves into a parallel dimension which collapsed seconds later into the new Universe. This allowed them to pass into the new Universe which had different laws of physics, and they discovered that they had gained [[god]]-like powers which allowed them to manipulate the new Universe in which they now existed. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'')
 
However, the [[Carnival Queen]] maintained that the Great Old Ones were not from a previous universe, but from an early period in this universe, before the Time Lords imposed reason and order upon it. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')
 
The Great Old Ones ruled the galaxy (presumably the [[Mutter's Spiral]]), eventually only being left in the [[memory]] of half a dozen worlds. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Nameless City (short story)|The Nameless City]]'') They were known throughout the universe as terrible creatures that sought to destroy others or incorporate them into their being. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Twilight of the Gods (MA novel)|Twilight of the Gods]]'') They were worshipped as gods on [[Earth]] by the [[Silurian]]s and even the [[gargantuan entity|gargantuan entities]] that ruled Earth before them; they were also known to a cult of the [[Shobogan]]s. According to the legends, it was believed that [[Azathoth]] was the weakest of their kind. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'')
 
Ancient carvings dating at least fifteen million years ago showed that the Old Ones ruled everywhere before they died out and went into hibernation after fleeing from the "[[Fendahl|predators with a touch of decay]]". They managed to escape from the great cosmic disaster in order to flee into the [[Time Vortex]]. There they became discorporate entities, thus leaving their bodies behind on Earth. Their minds sought to return to their bodies when the stars were correctly aligned with the tidal forces of the stellar masses, an event which could bring about a sufficient tear in the space-time continuum to create a pathway back to their bodies. However, as the stars were constantly expanding and contracting, they never returned to the same configuration as the time when the Old Ones went into hibernation. Thus, they required the assistance of their followers to attract the attention of their bodies; autonomic instincts and allow them a chance to compensate. As they were unable to affect the world physically, they used the influence of their powerful minds to achieve their goals. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[White Darkness (novel)|White Darkness]]'')
 
The Pharaoh [[Amenhotep II]] discovered a form of them at one time on [[Earth]] and attempted to harness their power for himself. The [[Fifth Doctor]] described this Great Old One as parasitic and theorised they'd interbred with other species. The Pharaoh came to realise that they were beyond his control and lured them into a white pyramid with a structure of infinite reflections where the creature's evil was to be trapped forever. This trap succeeded and kept the world safe from their evil. The Great Old One attempted to escape via the Pharaoh's daughter [[Erimem]] during her travels with the Doctor in [[1917]] [[Tibet]], but was foiled by [[Peri Brown]] who froze their manifestations with liquid nitrogen. The Fifth Doctor subsequently used explosives to entomb their frozen forms. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Roof of the World (audio story)|The Roof of the World]]'')
 
By the [[2020s]], when [[To'Koth]] had reached the end of dying of old age over billions of years, the [[Seventh Doctor]] took him back to the Board to die, humbling and terrifying the other Elder Gods as he was the first God to die. As a way of ending hostilities, To'Koth called a truce between the Gods and the Doctor. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs and Wonders (audio story)|Signs and Wonders]]'')
 
== Other references ==
According to one account, in [[1936]] human writer [[H. P. Lovecraft]] wrote about the “Old One, a.k.a. Elder Thing" in ''[[At the Mountains of Madness]]'', which was "widely regarded as real by [[25th century]] fringe archaeologists". The Elder Things would have been brought to life by a [[fictional generator]]. [[Compassion]] joked with the [[Eighth Doctor]] about him being a Great Old One on his mother's side. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Taking of Planet 5 (novel)|The Taking of Planet 5]]'')
 
== List of Great Old Ones ==
[[File:Great Old Ones.jpg|thumb|The pantheon of Great Old Ones included (clockwise from top left): Hastur, Magog, Yog-Sothoth, the Gods of Ragnarok and Lloigor.]]Amongst those listed as members of the Old Ones were [[Azathoth]], [[Cthulhu]], [[Dagon]], [[Lloigor]], [[Yog-Sothoth|Yog Sothoth]], [[Nyarlathotep]], [[Shub-Niggurath]] and its offspring the [[Nestene Consciousness]], [[Kwundaar]], [[Kragoom]], [[Tor-Gasukk]], [[Melefescent]], the [[Gomagog]] (including [[Gog]] and [[Magog]]), [[Eidolon]], the [[Archon (The Nameless City)|Archons]] and the [[Grace]].
 
An offshoot of Old Ones were known as the Elder Gods, who shared powers almost identical to that of Old Ones but were arguably more direct in their meddling with the universe and their obsession with games on the [[The Board|Board]]. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Gods and Monsters (audio story)|Gods and Monsters]]'') Members of this group included the [[Great Intelligence]], [[Hastur the Unspeakable]] (known as Fenric), [[Weyland]], the [[Lloigor]] known as the [[Animus]], the [[Mi'en Kalarash]], [[Derleth]], the [[Karnas'koi]] (including [[CP Doveday]]), the [[Kai'lizakia]], [[Moloch (Protect and Survive)|Moloch]] and his servants (disguised as [[Albert Marsden|Albert]] and [[Peggy Marsden]]), the [[Gods of Ragnarok]] (including [[Raag]], [[Nah]] and [[Rok]] and the [[God of Ragnarok (Old Girl)|God of Ragnarok]]), [[To'Koth]] and [[Ginny Greenteeth]]. A sub-group of Elder Gods were the [[Toymaker]]s, which included the [[Celestial Toymaker]] and his sister [[Hecuba]].
 
Far above both groups were the [[Guardians of Time]], considered masters of reality, and the upper echelons of the Great Old Ones. [[Rassilon]] even considered the Old Ones "sub-Guardians". ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Divided Loyalties (novel)|Divided Loyalties]]'') They represented elemental forces embodying several aspects of the universe, with the two most prominent being the [[White Guardian]] (representing Light and Order/Structure) and the [[Black Guardian]] (Darkness and Chaos/Entropy). Other Guardians included the [[Crystal Guardian]] (Dream and Fantasy), the [[Red Guardian]] (Justice and Truth), the [[Azure Guardian]] and its twin (Equilibrium and Balance) and the [[Gold Guardian]] (Life and Death).
 
Above even the Guardians were the [[Grace]], who worked to hold the universe together and occasionally stepped in to stop reality breaking apart. They created the [[Key to Time]] and used the Black and White Guardians as agents, and could send the Guardians back into the echoing void if they wanted. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Judgement of Isskar (audio story)|The Judgement of Isskar]]'', ''[[The Chaos Pool (audio story)|The Chaos Pool]]'') They could be the "[[Greater Old One]]s" that the Guardians refered to during the imprisonment of the [[Chronovore]] [[Kronos]] within his crystal and into the Time Vortex. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Quantum Archangel (novel)|The Quantum Archangel]]'')
 
In addition, an unnamed Great Old One was said to be within the ''[[Infinite (The Infinite Quest)|Infinite]]'' as a power source. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Infinite Quest (TV story)|The Infinite Quest]]'')


== Behind the scenes ==
== Behind the scenes ==
* The Great Old Ones originated out of the {{w|Cthulhu Mythos}}, a {{w|shared universe}} based on the writings of [[H. P. Lovecraft]] and some of his contemporaries. A few characters and concepts in televised ''Doctor Who'', such as [[Sutekh]] (though based on a god from [[Egypt]]ian mythology, also known as Sutekh but generally Set or Seth) and the [[Fendahl]], show the influence of the Mythos, and the latter has similarities with Brian Lumley's {{w|Chthonian (Cthulhu Mythos)|Chthonians}}. Not until the novels ''[[White Darkness (novel)|White Darkness]]'', ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'' and ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'' did beings explicitly referred to as Great Old Ones appear in fiction set in the [[Doctor Who universe|''Doctor Who'' universe]].
It's unclear if "Elder God" is actually a distinct group, or simply a synonym for Old One.
* The latter two books took known ''Doctor Who'' entities, such as the [[Animus]], and [[retcon|retconned them into]] having links to the Mythos. ''[[The Taking of Planet 5 (novel)|The Taking of Planet 5]]'' revealed that the [[Elder Thing]]s also existed in the form of fiction in the ''Doctor Who'' universe. Though the established Cthulhu Mythos and its DWU variant have some differences, stories belonging to the Mythos also frequently contradict themselves.
 
== External links ==
Sites with specific references to the Cthulhu Mythos in the Doctor Who universe:
* [http://newapocrypha.wetpaint.com/page/The+Cthulhu+Mythos+and+Doctor+Who "The Cthulhu Mythos and Doctor Who" at Newapocrypha]
* [http://www.tabula-rasa.info/DoctorWho/Cthulwho.html "Cthulwho: A Brief Introduction to the Cthulhu Mythos" by Kyla Ward]
* [http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS03/ns3rev.htm#drwho "An Overview of Dr. Who Cthulhu Mythos Novels" by James Ambuehl]


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The Elder Gods were Great Old Ones who were more active in the universe, playing cosmic games with each other using the dimension known as the Board. (AUDIO: Gods and Monsters) The Elder Gods included the Animus, the Great Intelligence, the Mi'en Kalarash, Derleth, the Karnas'koi, the Celestial Toymaker, Kai'lizakia (AUDIO: Black and White) Fenric, Weyland, (AUDIO: Gods and Monsters) Moloch, "Albert Marsden" and "Peggy Marsden" (AUDIO: Protect and Survive) Ragnarok, To'Koth, and Ginny Greenteeth. (AUDIO: Signs and Wonders)

They were able to create time storms and lock away people's memories. An Elder God could not die in the normal universe, as the energies released would damage space and time. As the Seventh Doctor transported a dying To'Koth back to the Board, the Time Vortex itself was turned inside out. (AUDIO: Signs and Wonders)

Behind the scenes

It's unclear if "Elder God" is actually a distinct group, or simply a synonym for Old One.