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 ::::What about [[Equilibrium (novel)]]? I'm not sure how far along the novel actually got while Forward was shopping it around to Virgin and then BBC Books, but it was certainly completed at some point since Forward released it online. Perhaps there's discussion of that novel in some DWM issue, but I don't have the desire to search through a bunch of back issues to look. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
-That's not particularly indicative of anything. [[Smoking Mirror (novel)]] is in a similar situation. Some of this discussion already occurred at [[Talk:List of unproduced stories]]. The relevant paragraph is from Scrooge:
+:::::That's not particularly indicative of anything. [[Smoking Mirror (novel)]] is in a similar situation. Some of this discussion already occurred at [[Talk:List of unproduced stories]]. The relevant paragraph is from Scrooge:
-::The distinction is also only really applicable for TV — cases of a book or audio being greenlit only to be cancelled partway through "production" are so vanishingly rare that I can think of only [[Campaign (novel)|one “Unproduced” novel fitting that description]]. Nearly all the interesting non-TV "stories that almost were, had influence on later productions, but were never completed themselves" never made it past the ''pitch'', because "production"-wise, much more of the work on a novel is done ''before'' the author officially brings a pitch to the publisher.
+::::::The distinction is also only really applicable for TV — cases of a book or audio being greenlit only to be cancelled partway through "production" are so vanishingly rare that I can think of only [[Campaign (novel)|one “Unproduced” novel fitting that description]]. Nearly all the interesting non-TV "stories that almost were, had influence on later productions, but were never completed themselves" never made it past the ''pitch'', because "production"-wise, much more of the work on a novel is done ''before'' the author officially brings a pitch to the publisher.
-I think Mentor might count, given the comments made about it, and we know that Tardis Team Diaries 3 and 4 were planned, if not commissioned/written. So we have somewhere between 1 and 5 stories that count under this metric, them being ''officially green-lit'' and then ''failing to materialize'', for one reason for another, at least that I can find. (Maybe you also count the Paul Cornell novel where 7 regenerates, since it was discussed with the [[Peter Darvill-Evans]]? I wouldn't.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
+:::::I think Mentor might count, given the comments made about it, and we know that Tardis Team Diaries 3 and 4 were planned, if not commissioned/written. So we have somewhere between 1 and 5 stories that count under this metric, them being ''officially green-lit'' and then ''failing to materialize'', for one reason for another, at least that I can find. (Maybe you also count the Paul Cornell novel where 7 regenerates, since it was discussed with the [[Peter Darvill-Evans]]? I wouldn't.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
+So I've re-read through this discussion and, while maybe things could change in the last 24 hours, thus far there seem to be three conclusions:
+#Broad support for including "unproduced" in the dab terms of unproduced story pages.
+#Broad support for using "unreleased" as a dab term for the rare few stories which were fully finished but not released, such as ''[[Absent Friends (Torchwood audio story)|Absent Friends]]'' and ''[[Campaign (novel)|Campaign]]''.
+#No consensus on any more complicated level of differentiation between unproduced stories.
+It's the eleventh hour but I'd like to add one further corollary for admin consideration in the closing statement: since "unproduced" will now be present in the title of each unproduced story page, surely we still won't need {{tlx|unprod}} to be so damn big? It's recently been pointed out to me that, since most casual users have no reason to be familiar with our template image practices, it's unnecessarily confusing to users to see the ''[[Scratchman (novelisation)|Scratchman]]'' logo above, for instance, ''[[Faction Paradox (theatrical film)|Faction Paradox]]''. A smaller template the size of {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} or {{tlx|stub}} will surely suffice going forward. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)