User:OttselSpy25/Commercial fiction sandbox

This is going to be a curated list of potential commercials/advertisements/idents that should be validated in the future, given specific circumstances.

Essentially, advertisements being disqualified for "not being narratives" and thus not fitting Rule 1 should be retired. Thusly, all "advertisements" which are more than just compilations of clips and images should be reconsidered under rule 4: if they are intended to take place in the Doctor Who Universe.

Stories where validation is certain

TV stories

• 2009 BBC Christmas idents - Famous "TARDIS with Reindeer" idents. Calling these commercials is a little iffy in the first place, as I don't think idents are advertisements. Nevertheless, these are TV stories with a narrative going on.
• Step Into the 80's! / On Through the 80's!
• Sprout Boy meets a Galaxy of Stars - This one could be debated, but the story being narrated by Peter Capaldi and ending on the reveal of the Twelfth Doctor makes it more a Doctor Who story than anything else
• CBBC idents - This can hopefully be fleshed out with more info? But it sounds like it might qualify
• Any of the Collection trailers... Which are mostly already counted as valid due to some loophole.

Webcasts

• A return to Skaro for the First Doctor... - This is a classic example of something that clearly isn't a trailer, but was called one once and was thus invalidated immediately.
• Genetics of the Daleks
• The Ninth Doctor vs the Cybermen
• Doctor, Doctor, Doctor - Our judgement on invaliding Lego Dimensions fell entirely on the game having multiple-path easter eggs. It was generally thought that the Doctor Who portions passed Rule 4 with flying colours. So there's no reason to invalidate the shorts made to tie-into the game.
• Time Lord Victorious: Trailer (webcast)
• Strax Field Reports
• More Than Human... (webcast)
• He Who Fights With Monsters (webcast)
• Most Big Finish webcasts. Despite what some might say, these do indeed only exist to sell Big Finish audios.

Short stories

• Can I Help You? (short story) - Short story printed on a t-shirt. It could be argued that the story "is a commercial item" since it's printed on a t-shirt. I think stories printed on paper and sold in books are also commercial items.
• The Cult of Skaro (short story)
• Dalek Wars - this one just doesn't make any god damn sense in my opinion. When a 1960s story is used to sell candy cigarettes, we give it a featuring page! But when a 2000s story is used to sell baseball cards? No. >:( Even if the proposition doesn't pass, this being invalid makes no sense with our rules.

Comic stories

• Dr Who and the Turgids - at the very least qualifies for R4BP, as the TARDIS tuner has been evoked often in stories.
• On the Icy Edge of the Galaxy...

Audio stories

• Introducing Doctor Who: Redacted - Presuming none of this narrative appears in Redacted, I think it qualifies

Stories I'm less certain about

• The Trip of a Lifetime and similar trailers, leaning towards valid. No different from Twelve narrating about the Bootstrap paradox. However, I think these specifically would need their own debate, as the "Rule 4ness" of these is obviously debatable.
• Famine Appeal - I'm leaning towards non-valid for things like this, but I would have to hear from my peers.
• Friend from the Future - I can say with certainty that this should be valid, but I think it would need a stand-alone debate.
• Meet the Thirteenth Doctor - This one is odd, because I don't think it qualifies for Rule 4. Now, if a future story were to give context to what's going on here, I think this would qualify for Rule 4 By Proxy.
• Doctor Who: 50 Years (trailer) - Another great example here where there's no real proof that this was intended to be set inside the DWU. But you could also argue that this trailer simply depicts a Multi-Doctor Event that Day doesn't show. It's certainly more of a promotional short than a trailer, and certainly something that would qualify for Rule 4 by Proxy if some other valid fiction referenced it. But as it stands, I think it deserves to be in the middle here.
• WeLoveTITANS - I think as these were disqualified for being commercials, they might justify another debate, but I just don't know how many people WANT to go down that rabbit hole again

Advertisements which do not qualify

• Christmas Gift Guide: LEGO set - This is lost media now, but I recall at the time thinking it shouldn't be valid. Same for the two other Christmas Gift Guides.
• Doctor Who and the Ambassadors of Death (trailer) - this is an important case, as this is essentially a regular trailer showing clips from the next episode, but with some new linking segments. This alone does not make it qualify for rule 1, let alone rule 4.
• Death of the Doctor (trailer) - Also the same situation
• Walls' Sky Ray lollies advertisement - I've long considered this one, and I think it's suffice to say that this a trailer for the story included in the packaging: Dr Who's Space Adventure Book. It also really is a commercial with the hint of a story, not a narrative that also sought to sell something. I think it's very easy to see why something like this does not pass Rule 4.
• Denys Fisher Toys Advert - Same applies here, and for all the old Character Options commercials we don't have pages on
• BBC Choice ident - was clearly not intended to fit into the DWU
• It's Showtime (2012 BBC Christmas ident)
• Consider Yourself One Of Us... (2011 BBC Christmas ident)
• Everyone's Home For Christmas (2011 BBC Christmas ident)
• 2016 BBC Christmas ident
• 2014 BBC Christmas ident
• 2010 BBC Christmas ident