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* [[CBBC idents]] - This can hopefully be fleshed out with more info? But it sounds like it might qualify | * [[CBBC idents]] - This can hopefully be fleshed out with more info? But it sounds like it might qualify | ||
* Any of the Collection trailers... Which are mostly already counted as valid due to some loophole. | * Any of the Collection trailers... Which are mostly already counted as valid due to some loophole. | ||
* [[Luckily for me, I have a time machine (TV story)]] - This title seems bunk, but as this is invalid currently just for being "promotional" I'd say it should be valid. | |||
* [[Streets Doctor Who Advertisement (TV story)|Streets Doctor Who Advertisement]] | |||
* [[UNIT Recruiting Film (TV story)|UNIT Recruiting Film]] - I've not been able to figure out why this is invalid. But I presume it's because it was a marketing stunt to promote the re-broadcast of ''[[The Green Death (TV story)|The Green Death]]''. | |||
* The "interruption" idents. These are a little ''less'' clear than the 2009 idents, which had its own story. In this case, the story is "the Doctor interrupts the ident." It's still fiction, but you can't read much more into it than that. | |||
** [[The Clock's Ticking (TV story)|The Clock's Ticking]] | |||
** [[It's All Been Leading... (TV story)|It's All Been Leading...]] | |||
** [[The Moment Is Here (TV story)|The Moment Is Here]] | |||
** [[Twelfth Doctor Ident Interruptions]] | |||
** [[Countdown to Series 8 (BBC idents)|Countdown to Series 8]] | |||
* [[Season 17 (trailer)]] - This one's obscure, and the page name is terrible. But this is clearly a "Prequel" or "Prelude" before those were cool. | |||
* [[A Time For Heroes (TV story)|A Time For Heroes]] | |||
==== Webcasts ==== | ==== Webcasts ==== | ||
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* [[More Than Human... (webcast)]] | * [[More Than Human... (webcast)]] | ||
* [[He Who Fights With Monsters (webcast)]] | * [[He Who Fights With Monsters (webcast)]] | ||
* [[What is inside the TARDIS? (webcast)]] | |||
* [[We are your robots... (webcast)]] | |||
* [[The construction of the Daleks (webcast)]] | |||
* Most Big Finish webcasts. Despite what some might say, these do indeed only exist to sell Big Finish audios. | * Most Big Finish webcasts. Despite what some might say, these do indeed only exist to sell Big Finish audios. | ||
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* [[The Cult of Skaro (short story)]] | * [[The Cult of Skaro (short story)]] | ||
* [[Dalek Wars (series)|Dalek Wars]] - this one just doesn't make any god damn sense in my opinion. When a [[Doctor Who and the Daleks (short story)|1960s story]] is used to sell candy cigarettes, we give it a featuring page! But when a 2000s story is used to sell baseball cards? No. >:( Even if the proposition doesn't pass, this being invalid makes no sense with our rules. | * [[Dalek Wars (series)|Dalek Wars]] - this one just doesn't make any god damn sense in my opinion. When a [[Doctor Who and the Daleks (short story)|1960s story]] is used to sell candy cigarettes, we give it a featuring page! But when a 2000s story is used to sell baseball cards? No. >:( Even if the proposition doesn't pass, this being invalid makes no sense with our rules. | ||
* The [[TV Century 21]] advertisements, which like the other parts of the "newspaper" seem to be in-universe | |||
** [[Destroy all Daleks with Dr Who's Anti-Dalek Sonic Disintegrator (short story)|Destroy all Daleks with Dr Who's Anti-Dalek Sonic Disintegrator]] | |||
** [[A Message from Steve Zodiac to Special Agents (short story)|A Message from Steve Zodiac to Special Agents]] | |||
** [[News Flash by Marx (short story)|News Flash by Marx]] | |||
** [[Dr Who reveals new weapon in his fight against the Daleks (short story)|Dr Who reveals new weapon in his fight against the Daleks]] | |||
** [[Fantastic Weapon Blasts Daleks]] | |||
** [[50 Cluedo Games To Be Won!]] | |||
** Probably others, I find this topic confusing. | |||
=== Comic stories === | === Comic stories === | ||
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== Stories I'm less certain about == | == Stories I'm less certain about == | ||
* [[The Trip of a Lifetime (trailer)|The Trip of a Lifetime]] and similar trailers, leaning towards valid. No different from Twelve narrating about the [[Bootstrap paradox]]. However, I think these specifically would need their own debate, as the "Rule 4ness" of these is obviously debatable. | * [[The Trip of a Lifetime (trailer)|The Trip of a Lifetime]] and similar trailers, leaning towards valid. No different from Twelve narrating about the [[Bootstrap paradox]]. However, I think these specifically would need their own debate, as the "Rule 4ness" of these is obviously debatable. | ||
* [[Famine Appeal]] - I' | * [[Famine Appeal]] - After studying it, if Colin never breaks character, I'd say this should be valid. But I've never seen this one. | ||
* [[Friend from the Future (TV story)|Friend from the Future]] - I can say with certainty that this should be valid, as [[Steven Moffat]] intended. However, because it was invalidated originally for more than one reason, and because it is contentious, this will need its own debate. | * [[Friend from the Future (TV story)|Friend from the Future]] - I can say with certainty that this should be valid, as [[Steven Moffat]] intended. However, because it was invalidated originally for more than one reason, and because it is contentious, this will need its own debate. | ||
* ''[[The Future Is At Your Fingertips (TV story)|The Future Is At Your Fingertips]]'' - This ALMOST doesn't pass Rule 3. These were commercials made in New Zealand which the company decided to never use. They never broadcast on TV... BUT they did premiere at a film festival. If they pass "Rule 4" is really something one could debate. | |||
* [[Meet the Thirteenth Doctor (TV story)|Meet the Thirteenth Doctor]] - This one is odd, because I don't think it qualifies for Rule 4. Now, if a future story were to give context to what's going on here, I think this would qualify for ''Rule 4 By Proxy''. | * [[Meet the Thirteenth Doctor (TV story)|Meet the Thirteenth Doctor]] - This one is odd, because I don't think it qualifies for Rule 4. Now, if a future story were to give context to what's going on here, I think this would qualify for ''Rule 4 By Proxy''. | ||
* [[Doctor Who: 50 Years (trailer)]] - Another great example here where there's no real proof that this was intended to be set inside the ''DWU''. But you could also argue that this trailer simply depicts a [[Multi-Doctor Event]] that ''Day'' doesn't show. It's certainly more of a promotional short than a trailer, and certainly something that would qualify for ''Rule 4 by Proxy'' if some other valid fiction referenced it. But as it stands, I think it deserves to be in the middle here. | * [[Doctor Who: 50 Years (trailer)]] - Another great example here where there's no real proof that this was intended to be set inside the ''DWU''. But you could also argue that this trailer simply depicts a [[Multi-Doctor Event]] that ''Day'' doesn't show. It's certainly more of a promotional short than a trailer, and certainly something that would qualify for ''Rule 4 by Proxy'' if some other valid fiction referenced it. But as it stands, I think it deserves to be in the middle here. | ||
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== Advertisements which do not qualify == | == Advertisements which do not qualify == | ||
* [[Christmas Gift Guide: LEGO set]] - This is lost media now, but I recall at the time thinking it shouldn't be valid. Same for the two other Christmas Gift Guides. | * [[Christmas Gift Guide: LEGO set]] - This is lost media now, but I recall at the time thinking it shouldn't be valid. Same for the two other Christmas Gift Guides. | ||
* ''[[The Appliance of Science (home video)|The Appliance of Science]]'' - offensiveness and historical significance put aside, I have never seen evidence that this passes Rule 2. | * ''[[The Appliance of Science (home video)|The Appliance of Science]]'' - offensiveness and historical significance put aside, I have never seen evidence that this passes Rule 2. It certainly seems to not pass Rule 3. | ||
* [[Walls' Sky Ray lollies advertisement]] - I've long considered this one, and I think it's suffice to say that this a trailer for the story included in the packaging: ''[[Dr Who's Space Adventure Book]]''. It's really a commercial with the aesthetics of a fictional story, not a fictional story that happens to sell something. | * [[Walls' Sky Ray lollies advertisement]] - I've long considered this one, and I think it's suffice to say that this a trailer for the story included in the packaging: ''[[Dr Who's Space Adventure Book]]''. It's really a commercial with the aesthetics of a fictional story, not a fictional story that happens to sell something. Also, I don't think we have precedent to remove the in-universe bits from the real-world bits. | ||
* [[Denys Fisher Toys Advert]] - Same applies here, and for all the old [[Character Options]] commercials we don't have pages on | * [[Denys Fisher Toys Advert]] - Same applies here, and for all the old [[Character Options]] commercials we don't have pages on | ||
* [[BBC Choice ident]] - was clearly not intended to fit into the ''DWU'' | * [[BBC Choice ident]] - was clearly not intended to fit into the ''DWU'' | ||