User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-31010985-20190928203157/@comment-1432718-20191016045501

Time to close this thread. As always, Tardis:You are bound by current policy applies.

Before going into the actual decision, there are a couple of points to make regarding inclusion debates in general.

• There was a lot of complaining (especially in the original, now deleted, post) about the original admin decision to delete the pages in question. However, this decision was correct because the pages were created without an inclusion debate or at least asking an admin first. As stated by User:Amorkuz on User talk:Borisashton, "However, for stories from a new series and from a new source, which constitute a crossover with few individually owned elements of a non-licensed spin-off to Doctor Who and which shares no elements with Doctor Who proper, such discussion was quite pertinent." When in doubt, ask an admin first.
• Tardis:No personal attacks is not just about name calling. The main tenet is to assume good faith. That means there should be no comments attributing motives to other users - let them speak for themselves. And just to note in response to a post above, assuming good faith applies to editing on this wiki. When it comes to claims made in inclusion debates, sometimes investigation is necessary, and T:NO SELF REF applies.
• A lot of comments on this post have gone as such: "There's no rule/policy that says..." Please keep in mind, that's what these forums are for: this is one of the places where we actually establish rules.

Now for the actual decision. A lot of focus was put on Rule 2, but we seem to have gotten away from considering Rule 4. From the posts here, in the original post, and in the comments left by User:Amorkuz on User talk:Borisashton and User talk:NateBumber, there are a lot of confusing, contradictory, or ambiguous statements. Researching the material on the internet in general didn't help clarify anything. The clearest statement I found was on the author's website calling this "a whole new universe" and "a new science fiction universe".

There is one thing that few people properly addressed in their comments, and that's ok, because it's not something a non-admin needs to worry about. But we do have to consider how decisions regarding new situations will affect the wiki in the future. The confusing nature of the posting, selling, and licensing of these stories would allow too much of a loophole in the future for other stories.

As has been pointed out before, the large majority of readers/users on this site only care about Doctor Who. We do allow a very large percentage of other stories onto the wiki, but unfortunately sometimes we have to draw the line for those that are two or more times removed from the DWU.

I have to agree with the original three admins that these stories are not valid on this wiki. The nature of how these stories were published and distributed would just allow for too much abuse further down the line.

I would like to point out that there does exist a wiki for this series, at The 10,000 Wiki. I encourage everyone who enjoys these stories to visit it.